Varnashrama Dharma and Modern Scholars

• what is making scholars take defensive route while dealing with varnashrama dharma ? is it self doubt ? is it meek submission ?
• WITh ADVAITA at helm , casteism should have died as ADVAITA thinks it as mithya [ since it is within jagat ] and it treats everyone equal .. but still casteism did not die WHY ?
• The real problem in UDUPI is political interference and interference in politics by relgious ... though religious politico link up is benefiting the political outfits .. vice versa is not happening ... BUT wrt NON hindus religious link up with politicos are helping even their bizzare non conetmporary non nonstitutional religious demands too
• like marital laws of muslims .. divorce laws of christians
• HARIPRASAAD .. the problem is BRAMHANAs seem more concerned now a days with others asking about discrimination etc more than the itarjaatis
• Bramahan unity vites do not make any difference ... so their demands are of no importance .. neither is upper caste dominance now means bramhin dominance it means reddy gauda jat dominance
• WHy should we be so much concerned about VARANASHRAMA DHARMA
• and what comes in the way fo bRAMHANAs to carry out varnashrama dharma is desire ? .. nobody can live without money .. and yajan yaajan do not give money these days .. so many thinks it is a system of yesteryears no longer applicable to todays world .. and hence any ref to it is conveneinetly skipped
• A bramhana has to be in continuous study of shastras ...that missing due to work pressure , his own status seems awkward to him
• with bramhins not teaching ha steaching stopped ?
• now teaching is done by asaraam ramdev sri sri x y z sukhbodanand .. and what they teach ?
• SO its important BRAMHANAS should be at helm when it comes to teaching .. one must not learn from paul iyer or stepjhen chaturvedi
• BUT then UDUPI swamiji thought he can enact a role LIKE vyasarayru in todays Politics .. we also thought so but then It did no good to MADWAS at all . NOT a single minister BRAmhana in ruling state
• and then when x cm resolved even the single seat won also lost in UDUPI ... so there is no local influence too ... bramhins do not have direct political influence .. if they do not have spiritual influence .. i think next relegated class will be that of bramhins
• So first and foremost .. anyone doing his work always fnds strength ...
• no they pay if one demands .. not as daana ... so one has to be exploitative .. and that is not a forte of bramhana
• kerala astrologers come in groups and they do around 5 6 hours of prashna .. they charge 3 5 lakhs
• Sameer Khatavkar larger than life happens when they take awards from the GOVT .. what does the precondition of awards say , you must uphold the constitution of INDIA .. if not then you become ineligible for the award and also after the award if you act against or carry opinion against you lose perks ... so time and again you are whipped to ascertain ./. DO you COMPLY ? yes should the answer ... this is what is happening
• if not charcoal , there is one 'victory ' brand charcoal cups you get and one ca put dashanga or loban in it to get the dhoopa
• Dr Bannanje is or all purpose like a modern day scientist ... like a sceintist who works hard in laboratory finds something new without confirming rushes out and declares to the world that yes I have found this and this is IT .. [ the whole aim is not about finding truth , the real enthusiasm is EVEN I HAVE DONE iT , and a self consolation that I am in league of Newton einstien etc ] few days later he finds he has overlooked something and the result is not confirmatory , he slips into oblivion unable to take back words ....... similarly in thought process Dr finds some new manana and doesnt get it confirmed ......certain things comes after many births ...
• Nothing wrong in having opinions ..not all are born all knowing ,... so a discourse does have a titbit mistakes ..we all learn as we grow and our understanding is different from what we had at 25 to what we have at 70 .... many a times certain things which we have spoken [as our understanding ] at 30 might have gone wrong and realised at 70 ... but such realisation are based on shastras only .... so we should have strong backing of pramanas .. BUT at no time CAN we go AGAINST shastras ... certain basics are always TRUTH one can never tamper with them ... tampering meets criticism with purists ..
• division of community is what a rule undertakes .. awarding those who aid them is standard practises of misrule
• August 23, 2012 at 3:37am
• loban an guggul can be given ,.,
• HARI has taken avatara in only bRAMHANA and KShatriya families and not in others why ?
• hari has no deha of satva rajas tamas , he is always aprakrut
• HARi avatara is only for SHISHTA RAKSHANA and DUSHTA SHIKSHANA ... in other words AVATARAS will be either for JNANA karya or BALA KARYA .. both these are not the dharma for VAISHYA and SHUDRAS ...
• SO when LORD himself sets that then human's have no right to attribute such adhikara to other than BRAMHANA and KSHATRIYAS .... a point ISKCON an DR B should note
• I think the confusion might hv arisen out of the igorance of Dr on VEDVYASA ... which he might have percieved as otherwise [ just like SRI SRI ]
• ISKCON are thoroughly influenced by STory of VISHWAMITRA .... BUt then In TATVAPRAKASHIKA .. JAYATEERTHARU raises this question ..whether yogyata be raised .. such as that is seen in VISHWAMITRA ...? RAYARU gives an explanation that KSHATRIYA was not svabhavik for VISHWAMITRA , thus he lost his kSHATRIYA nature and settled in his NAtural form which was embedded in his genes by the fruit given by Rishi ,,,
• SO vishwmitra becoming BRAMHAN is not a right example to be used in case of jatyutkarsha .... neither is VALMIKI as VALMIKI is son of a bramhana .. and jatyukarsha is possible as there is bramhana beeja ... there is no instance of any vaishya or shudra having raised his bar in entire history ...
• Suresh Maruthi In the discourse that was messaged to me by MADHWA VALLABH , the recording by Dr B .. he leaves audience confused as who is VEDVYASA .. .. HE himself is confused as to when VIDURA though jnani is not accepted as DWIJA .. but due to extreme knwoledge VEDVYASA did amass general acceptance as PREACHER ... so he indicates EXTREME KNOWLEDGE sometimes score over the birth .. and people were broad minded enough to accept VEDVYASA as LORD and a preacher .... There is indication that his perception of VEDVYASA is that of son of PRSHAR a bramhana and a Fisher woman !
• the grand question arises is WAS SATYAVATI a fisher woman ? a antyaj stree
• there were twins born from the fish ...what happened to the boy ?
• SO virat king .. brother of satyavati ... satyavti's son - vichitraveerya / pandu /arjun / abhimanyu marries virat raja's daughter / what is relation ?
• daughter of bavamardi[ brother in law ] of grandfather's grandfather
• coming back .. EITHER dr B is indicating how a normal civilisation would get educated of actual caste of a fisher woman .. so their acceptance is on general KNWOELDGE exhibition of VEDVYASA
• OR dr B is really showing ignorance on kshatriya antecedants of SATYAVATI .. or he is under the impression that BRAMAHAN father KSHATRIYA mother would render a offspring outcaste ? or finally he deliberately chooses not clear the confusion and rejoice in confused atmosphere to propagate the VARNa theory ..
• If satyavati were indeed a matsya kanya .. an antyaj .. then even Shantanu marrying her would render vichitraveerya and chitraveerya as NON KSHATRIYAS .... but how they were accepted as KINGS ... was varashrama dharm so liberal those days ?
• Definitely these situations show that SATYAVATI was indeed a KSHATRIYA women and acceptble to society .... SO consequently VEDVYASA does become a DWIJA for the society ... the confusion should not arise at all /...... The confusion is deliberately created to APPEASE certain sections to show oh yes even YOU CAN PREACH
• WHAT are the consequence of such deliberate misleading thoughts .. it will kill the sanctity of CASTE in a MARRAIGE ..... it introduces moha to seek learned in the non dwija sector .... it infact leads to a gamut of VIPAREET GNANA ..
• This same thought process of thinking SATYAVATI as low caste woman .. caused NTR to introduce a dialogue i KURU SABHA [ karna episode ] by DURYODHAN that why are we so obessesed with caste / havent we lost it generations ago ?
• INFACT if SATYVATI is not accepted as KSHATRIYA ,, then continuously keeping KARNA away from his rights seems a HYPOCRISY
• kingdoms and kings in mahabharata cannot be termed as HYPOSRITE ... these epics are of high moral values and HIGH standrads of DHARMA ... so acusing them of HYPOCRISY inconsistency is akin to NASTIKVADA athiesm
• If it were a HYPOCRITE society then PRESENCE of LORD SRIKRISHNa and greats like BHEEMSEN and ARJUN BHEESHMA DRONA . could not put an end to such HYPOCRISY seems quiet an understatement
• THE POPULAR trap is that "THOSE WERE TIME OF RIGID SOCIETY and hence everyone took a Stance in accordance with SOciety .. " this is general statement which pseudo scholars gives and modern socialogists offer as an excuse to alter society now .... BUT THEN the above is a VERY VERY contradictory opinion / lets see why ? AT one end the society is claimed to have a example of SATYAVATI who is married twice .. and is lower caste and yet there is NO REVOLT ... and at the same time pseudo scholars attribute a RIGID SOCIETY where even LORD cannot have a say in changing it and people like KARNA EKLAVYA SUFFERED /// ISNT THESE CONTRADICTORY observations ?
• THEN with contradictory observations based on biased ill informed data ... the newage scholars fantasise that they can achieve what LORD himself could not deliver a CASTELESS society where anyone displaying shama dama can take over reins and find acceotance ...
• readers view invited ...
• BUT where is dharma today in todays time .. " while all the sociologists are proactive showing the discrimination on a caste basis and rejoice in support of showing anti vibes ..... " isnt todays laws more discriminative from religion to religion and we have none to even discuss them or protest them because law takes to tasks such an activity ie .. anything spoken against a DHARMA written by humans is so blasphemous but RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE a subject 0f lighter discussion ... ? how tolerable that can be
• Onc queen Of england observed that " now a days people are very much concerned about breed and genes and ancestory when it comes to getting a dog for their children , but same they dont apply for getting a bride "
• I am particularly driving a point towards the ill consequences of this mindset ... PEOPLE think an equal society may be good .. there will be no differences among the people and peace is a foregone conclusion .. BUT in the name of achieving equal society what is happening ..bramhins are marginalised not others .. everyone is maintaining their castes alibiet there is no sanskaara .. rsult none to guide and tell what is right religion ? In the name of secularism what is happening .. HINDUS are being marginalised ... what is the consequence .. the society whic thought what if muslims rule we can still be ourselves .. PAKISTAN which had 20% hindus today have 2 % .. why ? so one can imagine if secular concept is accepted .. it will be no longer secular BUT a MLETCHA desha only not hindu country ...give an opportunity to amletcha to rule he will bring ,mletcha rule only .. if tommoroow hyderabad goes into hands of independent OIC wil he enact shariat or SECULAR constitution .. ? if kashmir is lost will there be SEcular or shariat law ?
• Hrishikesh Padmini
• s society BRAMAHANAS want an escape from NISHTHA mADI and achaaraa .. such staements appeals .. and finds a leader in such .. BUT LET ME REMIND .. BRAMHANATVA is ACHARANA only the more one is engaged in tapasya , vrat niyama yoga japa sandhya the more bramhana varchas he will have ... WHAT IS THE RADIANCE OF PREACHERS OF VARNA ? isnt it obvious ?
• the moment bramhanas lose varchasva .. the moment bramahannas lose grip , society goes astray .. there will be no moe HINDUSIM .. no more vedik system .. this is FOR SURE ... you want to save culture save BRAMHANATVA ! no other way ... else like 20% to 2 % in pakistan we will be 80% to 15% soon in INDIA too
• I say bramhanas shoudl have more thn two offsprings .. why shoudl they have only one .. the more the children more the intelligentia !
• like lallu have 19 all will become great tapasvis
• DM it is a falacy .. that fianancial conditions dont meet ... EVERY PERSON born has his own prarabdha .. who know which son is giving you food shelter and furtunes today ,, so more the bramhans more the fortunes especially girls ..
• WHEN my wife was preganant I WAS BROKE .. but when children happened i regained everythig perhaps everything better .. I know its their fortune not mine .... they have yoga of good life and i get good things
• EITHER one must be totally practical or have belief in ageold wisdom
• we want to be practical on one hand looking at financial aspects .. plush jobs ... and work hard towards it do all hardworkers get these ..then what makes one wealthy and others struggle everyone agrees FORTUNES .. where does it come from ?
• SOMEBODY asked AMITABH BACHACHAN what is the secret behind your success he said FORTUNE
• RK if only people knew this insider infos
• Raguraman Kannan TILL MADHWACHARYA Says sankara is maniman everybody thought he is a great acharya
• OKAY for a moment Dhananjay
• HOW many BROTHERS did MADHWACHARYA have ?
• DM cant a father give vedic education to a bramhan does it require money ... ? and what a vedic bramhan cannot do ...
• MADHWACHARYA has also kept a standby ready .. SO even VAYUDEVa has a backup plan [ in form of vishnuteertha ] .. and we are concentrating only on wealth ? how much are we jsutified
• Sreedevi Damodar
• DM kya extra lagta hai ? people in history have had lived even without taking to bhiksha .. LORD is just merciful ..
• DM let me give example of VIJAY DASARU abject poverty ,,, TAKE EXAMPLE OF BAGHAANA dasaru .. mother widowed early and yet four children nothing to eat .. what happened ? FOUR ILLUSTRIOUS DASARU WE GOT .. BAGHANNA DASARU LIVED A OPULENT LIFE
• are children dependent on PARENTS .. case gopla dasaru falsifies that ..
• DM money comes automatically .. archakas in udupi and south canara kerala are most propserous just have a look at the diamond ring in ears
• DM if time comes the same lecture can also happen on TV and instead of laptop you would get it on tv in your house .. HARI is capable of giving anything anywhere ..
• GOPALADASARU's brothers wanted to do jobs .. but dasaru did not favour it .. and neither were they destined .. so they had to come back to take dasa vrutti then shvavrutti ... all of the brothers became aparokshagnanis .. pRARABDHA has its own way ...
• DM punishments are not of todays karma ... see even in GOPALADASARus case .. his mother was chased away from her house and village with very young children .. so destiny need not be taken into account .. what needs to be taken is our duty .. the mother of dasaru did not hit streets .. neither did she take up menial work .. she educated her children in vedic way
• DONT leave vedic way of life .. dont budge to today's time logic ... dont allow your children to go faraway from the vedic life so that return is not possible .. children are the future foundation of system .. we have moral responsibility to preserve our system ... EARNING is not prohibited .. but not at the cost of selfrespect and loss of faith !
• DM dharma can be adhered to only when money is there .. else poverty is most dangerous of diseases ... so that is the reason why arthshastra is there .. dharma artha kaam moksha are purusharthas of which moksha is shreshtha .. but BHEEMSENdevaru says kaam is more important .in mahabharata .. so kaama within parameters of artha earned according to dharma ... is what recommended
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• Suresh Maruthi challenges make a person stand out from the rest else how there will be development of swaguna
• That is only way to get out of problems there is no other way ... brute force or display of strength does not work ... see even in war , what happens its just a single arrow or bullet [ that is always laced with poison ] that can hit and end a life ... and with lakhs f arrows coming towards you chances of one hitting is 99% yet a warrior fights and enter battle field .. what saves him ? is it skill or LORD
• So what marks a warrior to warrior in the scale of success is his ability to stand still amidst 99% possibility of getting hit and even if he gets hit he doesnt die or it doesnt affect ... HOW that is achieved ?
• mahodadhi is of no comparision to TSS ....narsimha mantra gives terrific muscular tone ... which is generally not possible with just vegetarian food ...
• BUT NARSIMHA HAYAGREEVA SADHANA should not be undertaken by those who cannot be absolutely austere .. else it gives setback ... no letdown or leniency is tolerated here
• those who cannot be austere should resort to saumya rupas ie KRISHNA etc
• if one is not austere then veda mantras or ugra rupas sadhana if one fails in between then one may get skin diseases paralysis etc ...
• RL .. every warrior comes prepared .. everyone has some in built mechanism [ through sadhana ] that a simple arrow cannot kill them even if it hits ... but a sainik will die with just one arrow hitting his chest .... a senapati will need a strong arro