Numerical quantisation of castes

• MADI Suchi ASUCHI & numerical quantisation of castes
• many of the followers this group have requested to elaborate on catses and its importance with respect to shuchi nd asuchi , hence by popular demand this will be yet another perspective of the varnaashram dharma ... it is , and will not be , repetitive .. but a new dimension
• This post especially wants to highlight that while suchi and asuchi was nd is paramount in vedik karmas , there was never a case of untouchability in VEDIC INDIA ..
• First let us understand what is SUCHI ASUCHI .. ?
• our bodies are made of PANCHABUTA ... fire earth water ether wind ..
• everything that we do [ even thinking ] results into change in the state of these elements and its derivatives inside our body .. , when these changes result in mind / body [ and breath ] being too obsessive , lethargic and irritative towards satvik activities .. then body is supposed to have become asuchi ...
• The process which retores the mind body [ and breath ] to a state where satvik activties can be carried out [ carried out means which will ensure right result for the vedik kARMA ] without it being called as 'NISHPHALA" is known as shuddhikarana .. after which body is said to be shuddha and suchi .. [ the process is known as being in madi ]
• Some of the examples of getting suchi are " hari smarana , touching ears , washing feets and arms and face , pranayama . achamana , double achamana , snana , snana with the dress on , panchagavya prashana after snan , upavasa , upavasa for three days , krichha , chandrayana " in the incresing order ..
• some of the suchi concepts are , not taking food elsewhere , remaining indoors , leaving place of stay and heading for nirajana place , wearing a deerskin etc etc ..
• what is the logic ?
• To know the logic , one should understand HUMAN body its composition and its status .. when we say status , that means there is numerical quantisation to a person vis a vis the highest .. BRAMHANA is superior among the manavas ...
• So let us allocate 120 units to a BRAMHANA ..
• Bramhana is greater than a kshatriya by 4 times ..... ie Kshatriya is 30 uints
• a kshatriya is greater by gunas than vaishya by 5 times ... ie vaishya is 6units ..
• a vaishya is 6 times greater than sudra ie sudra is at 1 unit
• A grahasth is greater than bRAMHACHARi by 25%
• a vanaprastha is greater than grahastha by 25%
• a nishrushtik bramhachari is greater than vanaprasthi by 50%
• a sanyasi is greater than a naishrushtik bramhachari by 50%
• sudras and other jatis anuloma viloma do not have vanaprastha and sanyas aashrama , its only for bramhana kshatriy and vaishya only and not any other caste .. all others must do grahastha jeevan only
• Now we have BRAMHANA 120 KSHATRIYA 30 VAishya 6 sudra 1 ....[ of we say greater ] or we can take bramhana 1 kshatriya 4 vaishya 20 and sudra 120 as lesser than previous ...
• if we take lesser coordianate system .. it suits better as vaishya is twenty times less than bramhan and sudra is 120 times less
• NOW FROM BRAMHANA father and three lower vrn mothers we have three anuloma varnas .. 1> Kshatriya mother = Moordhavasikta 2> Vaishya = AMbashtha 3>sudra = Parashava
• what is the status of these jatis ... how to determine their numerical value .. ? the rule is take how many times the father is greater than mother ... make four parts , son will be at third part ie three times less than father and 1 time greater than mother
• so MOORDHAVASIkta is at unit 3 ...ambhastha 15 units and PARASHAVA is at 90 units
• all greater than vaishya anulomas have unpaayana adhikar
• are we having new perspective ? or is it just same
• NOW Kshatriya Father with lower mothers will give two anuloma varnas 1> Vaishya mother = MAHISHYA 2> shudra = UGRA
• so MAHISHYA has 16 units
• Ugra is 87
• now vaishya in sudra will give KARANAjati ..
• Karna is 86.66
• nOW VILOMA jaati ..this is one where MOTHER is of greater jaati than FATher
• How to calculate its status ... as many times MOTHER is greater than FATHER that many times sOn will be lower than the FATHER's caste
• So Kshatriya father Bramhana mother is SUTA , he has 16 points ...
• Look suta is greater than VAISHYA
• he has upanayana adhikara
• VAISHYA father in kshatriya mother gives MAGADH he has 100 points is greater than sudra
• Vaishya father Bramhana mother gives VAidehika = 400
• sudra father gives three viloma 1> vaishya mother = ayogava 720 2> kshtriya mother = kshatar 3600 3> Bramhana mother = chandaal 14400 times less than bramhana
• pratiloma castes do not have vdadhikara but have upanayana / the question raised is some pratiloma are better than vaishya than why they dont have vedadhikara .. even though they are greater than vaishya in qualities ?
• the answer given is just like BRAMHANA woman is greater than KSHATRIYA man yet do not have vedadhikara so also some castes greater than VAISHYA if pratiloma should not be given vedas ...
• they should recite gayatri without vyahruti and omkara
• only those who have vedadhikara are knwon as dwijas .. rest are not as they do not get another birth after mothers womb ...
• anuloma jaatis should be given upanayana without gayatri and their sanskaar is with purana .. they are known" mishra "
• the first set is of DWIJA , second is of MISHRA third is of Ekjatiya these do not have upanayana at all
• In ekjatiya ones who are lesser than 1000 can only listen to BRAMHAN pravachan on Puranas ..
• They should not read or undertake any karmas
• even lesser beings should not be even given pravachan of ramyana mahabharata , they should be taught by the compositions written by other humans as moral stories only ..
• I will post a pictorial refrence later .. first let us understand ..
• NOW what is this numerical refernec is for ?
• FISRT adhikaara .... SECOND ... SUCHI ... what is that ? any person who is 10 points less if he touches then one gets suchi by naam smaran .. he should [ uttama ] touch his ears ... 20 points less then one needs do achamaana .. 60 points less twice achamaana 100 points less then snana will make suchi ..100 and more less mrittika snana .. 1000 panchagavya prashana ... and those whose caste is beyond perception he should not be seen at all if seen one should immediately touch ears to get suchi .. speaking must be followed by achamana if touched onemust take sachela ie snan with dress on ..and take pnchagavya THIS way one should calculate and get purified before undertaking VEDIC KARMA
• SEE suchi asuchi is for uttama and not for the one who touches .. This touch and shuddhi is for VEDIC KARMA only ... it does not mean one should not touch at all ... there is no UNTOUCHABILITY ... why > because , sparsha dosha is not to be taken into consideration under FOLLOWING CONDITIONS 1> when doing vyavahar ie buying sellling , repairing , working , executing job etc 2> while there is famine , floods , or any health hazards , general calamity earthquake etc .. 3> in congregation , general meeting in ground sabha ,cinema halls etc ... 4> while tournament , playing , competition , wrestling etc 5> while travelling 6> while there is UTSAVA in temple . if a chandaala is also participating in utsav he should not be set aside if he comes near ... [ this gives dosha to one who discriminates ] nor should one do achaman or snan if chandal sparsh occurs while UTsava so says smriti
• 7> during wars too there is no sparsha dosha ...
• SO one should not do achamana snana in the above conditions ..
• NOW office goers , travellers , day today activities one must not resort to suchi asuchi concepts ..
• its only when you sit for pooja or homa japa tapa you should first do achamaana snana etc and then carry out the KARMA .. THOSE who do not do such karmas .. where is SUCHI ASUCHI ?
• one who has never done sandhya in his life if he says by MLETCH SAMBHASHAN I have become asuchi .. it will be laughable !
• If we see a VAISHYA is just 20 points greater than sudra .. so he does not have to take snana just achamana is enough for him .. BUt even a vaishya sparsh needs achamana for BRAMHANA ..
• NOW ayogava is washerman , people of all castes get their clothes washed , she is at very lesser point , does cloths become asuchi ?
• similarly when there is difference of more than 20 the food is not acceptable ie food prepared by people having leeser thna 50 points is not edible
• men with difference of 20 points can become cooks for each other
• yes rajaswala is same
• So any food item which is fried in ghee or oil is acceptable as it is equivalent to fruits
• NOT boiled food is also acceptble, soaked food is acceptable .. but cooked food is not acceptable ..
• people between kahtriya and bramhana points can cook for bramhnas .. similarly people within kshatriya and vaishya can cook for kshatriyas ,.. similarly people within vaishya and sudra can cook for VAISHYAs ... similarly people less than SUDRA and within pratilomas .. can cook for SUDRAs ..
• after 64 castes .. people have tendency to get children in other woman .. when woman gets a child from other person when husband is alive the child is known as KUNDA .. when husband is not alive .. he is known as GOLAKA ..
• these KUNDA golakas are two times lesser than FATHER ..
• When FATHER has left his caste and is living freely svechchara .. [ ie if one has not had upanayana even being bramhana etc and or left janivara ] such a person is known as vratya ... his son will be BHURJAKANTAKA .. this bhurjakantaka 's son will be 4 times less thn than father
• IF this son again has sanskaara he can regain a two times only ...
• again such a improved person's son will be only twice less
• after much mixture .. anulomijatis son must follow mothers caste profession , and pratilomis must follow fathers caste profession
• further mixtures if it is in fixed tradition then YAVAN is born .. if without any niyama mixture takes place [ ie without marraige etc ] then MLETCHAS are born
• when discussing these tenets .. we have taken a bramhan at 120 times greater .. [increasing order ] THIS is normal BRAMHANA .. tapasvis rishis MUNIS YOGIS ,.. are all very higher .. they do not have suchi asuchi at all .. why ? because concept of suchi asuchi is taken into consideration with a view that noraml bramhana has variation of panchabhuta in his mind and body while inetraction ... THE RISHI MUNI TAPASVI have such a high aura that , the these interacting PANCHABHUTAS get vileen // destroyed even before it recahes the body of RISHI .. so rishi does not get affected by all these at all ..... and then RISHIS MUNIS TAPASVIS YOGIS . BRAMRISHI etc // can be termed as LAKH CRORE TIMES greter than ordinary bramhans /. their offspring will definitely be higher than 120
• NOW chandal marying a bramhana woman .. will give 14400 X 14400 times lesser offspring MLECHAS are further interix than this .. so how much is the difference .. and serving such people , if someone takes pride .. WHAT CAN BE SAID about them ?
• AND IF YATIS SAY they wont mind getting touched by these 10 raised 20 times lesser beings [ how many times panchagavya has to be taken by yati along with snana ..] everyday ... to be suchi in MLETCHA LAND .. and yet they want to do FORIEGN TRAVEL ?
• AGAIN suchi and asuchi is ONLY FOR VEDIK KARMA .. for earning enjoying life , no sandhya , no japa tapa ... DO nOt even mind .. these things IF DONE THAT WILL BE HYPOCRISY and nothing else ... WITHOUT HAVING MIND FIXED ON GOD .. if one just indulges in this mathematics .. and says HE IS LESS HE IS MORE .. than that is PUR HYPOSCRISY
• krishnarpana
• thats prarabdha , why should we convince .. shastras are for those who want to tread path of spirituality , our job is to teach , thats all , not catch everyone by throat and deport ..... when knwoledge dawns . when desire to do what lORD has ordained descends people will automatically improve .. for improvement sometimes it takes births .... some sins are prarbdha sins , they have to be exhausted .. some are avaoidable .. only when one becomes knwoledged one tries to avoid .. some even if knwoledged cannot avoid as it is prarbdha ..call of duty ... some majboori ., sometimes for the sake of parents children ... see its also shastra that says one can do 1000 sins to support family .. so we should not cannot be forceful ..or dictating ..BUT knowledge can be given ..it is to ignite the thought ? NOT A COMMENT ...
• NISHRUSHTIK bramhacharya means to remain celibate without marraige .. The rule is one stays near a guru and keeps studying and doing sadhana , when guru is not there he spends time near his guru's samadhi .. an serves it till the end life .. if capable he has to serve guru' son ..
• SEEMS even yatis dont know ?
• OR may be they have been swept by VARNA THEORY
• shubha ratri
• Nar En SOULS are muktiyogya nitya sansaari and tamoyogya three categories only ..MADHWACHARYA refers to STVIKAS as BRAMHANA and KSHTARIYA VAISHYA as NITYA samsaari and SUDRAs as TAMOYOGYA ......but again in manshyottama catergory in moksha tartamya is reffered to as bramhana kshatriya etc 16 VARNAS .. and ashramas where many types of grahsthas and many types of sanyasis are also listed in the tartamya ... ending with pashu pakshi and truNA .. so technically they are tartamya references ....the higher sould are refered as rishi gandharva and devatas ,,, BUt jati as such in mortal world is for the sthula deha and one which is created the time of srishti is of 16 types it is also a body .. made up of satva rajas tamas .. In nutshell SATVIKA is VAISHNAVA
• water [obtained/stored in madi ] milk and ikshu rasa and fruits can be had and then one can sit in madi for pooja
• i will be unavialable till late evening
• Lords name can be taken at any time in any situation no suchi asuchi is required , BUT devatas and GURU [ like rayaru ] nama smarana etc cannot be taken without suchi .. it leads to sins
• No vaishyas cannot serve food for the bramhanas ..
• Krishna Koundinya those birds actually recite agnisukta from vedas while khandav dahan .. for which MAdhwacharya says , even if a pakshi or pashu is aware or has gyana , he is seen to be performing KARMA
• KARMA according to swadharma and so DEVATAS who have extraordinarinary knowledge definitely do KARMs as per their yogyata and as directed by shastra
• a very good question ,.. i am writing the duties of each caste now according to varnaashram adharma ...
• yes all types of daana can be given by vaishya to bramhana grains acn be given , if a supply of one year of grain is given , then whatever punya japa tapa a bramhan does , the one who has given grain also gets a share of his punya year long on a daily basis
• for a vaishya , krishi , agriculture , go sanrakshan , cattle rearing , vanijya . trade is allowed .. trade of precious stones , grains , goods , materials etc
• Moordhavasikta should do the work of mantri , sabhasad , sachiva secretary , advisor , senanaayak , treasurer , kosharakshak ,sainik , cook for bramhanas , expert in all arts , teacher of ayurveda , dhanurveda , gandharvaveda , arthashastra ie upaveda ..upadeshaka ...
• a moordhavasikta can be either a warrior or teacherv as per his wish ..
• Ambashtha should do job of doctor chikitsaka , patralekha political writer ,[steno ] ,he can trade in materials made of gold and preciosu stones like cloth or garments , minted coins , grains or auspicious things pavitra vastu ..he can also teach those who are less or equal to his caste , dhanurveda and purana .. he can write books granthas , [ writer ] , undersecretary etc
• parashava can be assistant to uttama varna , paricharya [carrying docs , advising , and actings as doota diplomat ] ... ashta loha , gold silver coper vega taknik kantikam iron sisa etc alankara .. or kavach ..manufacturing , cutting of diamonds , polishing of stones etc
• the work that requires to be done as per wishes of the boss ie PARACHITTA is known as seva .... this is of three types paricharya , sachivya , dyuta ..
• fourth type is one where one has to stand with his hands folded and wait for orders of the boss ., the men of higher varna should never do these four types of seva for people pf lower varna at any circumstance
• being a sabhasad and discussing the pros and cons and advising and having being sent on prestigious mission is sachivya .... with prestige being sent as emmisary to others is dyuta karya , being sent to lower peole is known as paricharya .. ,and other tyoes of physical seva is known as shvan vrutti [ ie dogs' work ] ...
• one should take appropriate work from appropriate person as per his caste
• if not then both master and servant will accrue sin and will go to hell NARAKA ..by acting apropriately one will attain heaven
• MAHISHYA should do the job of ganakah .[ computer] , accountant ,jyotihsya teacher , storekeeper , sairandri [ briging kavach etc for kings queen ] assistant to trader of precious stones in accountancy , audit , senanayak , garment trader , goldsmith ,entertaining kings , royalofficer ,judge , judicial analyst ..
• UGRA is horseriding soldier , jailer , police , commissioner , magistrate , manufacturing of arms etc
• suta is charioteer , for gaja ashwa rath padati ...army commander , court martial ,advisor to KING
• KARAN is stamp vendor , writer , artist ,painter , trader , farmer peasant , vilage head , sheep lamb rearing , various manual workartisan , helper to others
• MAGADH is one who praises the KING , horse trader , one who plays various instruments , sings , artist , sculptor , musician , actor , one who entertains kings with comedy . gymnastic , one who looks after stable and vehicle repairs ..
• Vaidehik ..wood trader , cement , stones cutting ,carvings , making various items of copper and bronze , silk traders and garment manufacturers , makers of instruments , pottery , skin artifacts , making of vehicle parts , lagaam of camel horse etc , assitants to traders
• Ayogava is washerman , skin leather works ,courier , hairstylist , instrumentalist , mining , mason , hunter , making of mats etc , powders , like rangoli , chunna etc , woodcutter in forests , to carry out punishments meted out by judiciary ..making of arrow , bricks , wrestler , sculptur , cutting of animals , one who does labour work like taking a grain box etc ...bullock cart driving
• Kshattar is doorkeeper , dwarapalak , wines , alcohol , drugs blender , one who cuts the hands legs of those who have been acused of steling , burglary etc ...one who accomplishes capital punishment . wrestler , veterinary doctor , night watchmen , bo
• he can also do detective works , dance , vesel trader , and trade in animal flesh
• chandaal lives by the activities conducted over dead body ..hunting the animals , cleaning the dead animals , removing skin , colouring the skin . removing the nerves and preparing the bow strings ...night patrol , selling the animal flesh , trade in p
• the only thing allowed for women wrt work is when she gets vidhawa .. if vidhwa is pativrata .. then she can be engaged in bhikshu karya [ moving around the city and colecting info ] , she can manufacture threads ,she can be employed in silk works , sh
• The onus of saving her honour is always on the women ... is what it says
• or it has to be made clear at the begining to the employer that she is SUSHEELyaSVAIRINIDYUTA .. that she will not lose her honour during the works of being sent to others for any work or work related trip ..
• PEOPLE say chandaal is illtreated he is kept outside the village , but if you see he has the most lucrative business .. LEATHER INDUSTRY .. today many a big corporates are venturing into this market funiture leather ... THEY are known as niche brands
• today ayogava kshattar karma is most desired , they sell non veg . package animal flesh , poultry , pork ..animal breeding , metal parts , car manufacturing .. vehicle parts piston etc .. these are industry and many run to be employed there .. so wher is discrimination . the age old vedik society was more vibrant as there were chariots horses all around
• washerwoman can help washerand husband in washing , a weaver woman can weave for her husband help him
• equal partners in business
• Thos eprofessions were good even in old days .. I do not know where the question of attrocities , untouchability , and such stories have come ... does society not need furniture leather products . dont they need vehicles , were they not dramas , music .. if these were untouchables how would one get fruits flowers , chariots mechanics . police etc .. who was untouchable ?
• one must consciously never touch AGNI BRAMHAN and COW
• yes blesing from far only ...a cow should not be touched in asuchi .. 24/7 we are in asuchi
• jannat ki baharon se na pariyon se dilbahalta hain mera ramke naam japne se