Guru Seve

• Some important points to be noted in the rayar mhaima gaana by vadeendraru is even though Teekacharya has written commentarries ... MANY scholars still interpreted certain tenets wrongly and there were allegations too that it may contain some defects .. NOW it is of general experience that we take scholars on face value .. such and such scholar said so .. Books translations are mainly scholars view point .. SOme attemt NAIVELY to interprete a vedic sentence all by themselves .. and try to present meanings .. all thee leads to misinterpretation and wrong knwoledge .. sometimes not acceptable to original author as well ...
• It is only with the help of RAYARU one can cleanly disect such defcetive occurences and not by self efforts
• three beautiful facts have come to highlight .. one ... VADEENDRA TEERTHA IS NO SMALL SCHOLAR just look at the description he has resorted it so difficult to unfurl and yet so easy to understand
• BUt even VADEENDRA teertharu has raised his hands when it comes to doing hard adhyayana he say why do all this grind when I can have an easy way ... NOW this cannot be brushed aside as something written out of affection GYANIS YATIS DONT LIE
• NOW VADEENDARU might have said so in ecstasy lets believe it The vyakhyan karas DHERENDRA TEERTHA and VASUDHENDRA teertharu have gone one step ahead and said without RAYARU no relief
• now this cannot be overimagination
• all these are celebrated yatis
• second point is ... RAYARU gives knwoledge to one who takes shelter in him [sharanagat ]
• so those who allege by bending ones back one will get nothing or is not an optimum way of getting knwoledge ,., it is aptly and amply shown that it is optimum method of gaining knowledge
• there > RAYARU when he gets happy like a king can make you a SCHOLAR who would know SECRETS [ deep ocean secrets of MAdhva shastra ]
• all this he gives as GIFT
• I THINK THIS NOBODY CAN EVEN IMAGINE CAN HAPPEN .. all doubting TOMS CAN GO THROUGH THE GRIND >>> WE ARE SURE AIMING FOR NECKLACE
• A good nature of maha satvik person is he becomes happy with smaller things
• my GOOD FORTUNE RAYARU IS MOST SATVIK EVER BORN ... BHAGAVT PRAISES HIM AS first among BHAKTA
• Now IF I am sincere WHAT ARE MY CHANCES OF NECKLACE [ DADA JACKPOT }
• i leave it for others to contribute
• See if contention that loukika guru is shreshta and even his sushrusha would give same phala and gyaana by ding adhyayana under him ... if this were correct ... THEN VADEENDRA would have been doing GURUGUNASTAVAN of UPENDRA TEERTHARU ... BT INSTEAD ,, VADEENDRARU is praising RAYARU who had already taken BRUNDAVANA even before he took PEETHA ... IS THERE A LOGIC HERE ?
• if at all brundavan and its yati had same sannidhi then VADEENDRARU should have DONE GURUGUNASTAVAN OF VYASARAYRAU OR VIJAYEENDRARU TEEKACHARYAU , but again HE chose only RAYARU ...
• AM I MISSING ANY LOGIC HERE ?
• IF ONLY MADHWACHARYA gives gyaana , as B C D claim .... THEN VADEENDRARU should have done another VAYUSTUTI INSTEAD OF RAYAR GAANA ... IS there anything to learn here ?
• for VADEENDRARU RAYARU is fifth generation YATI .. should it be any different than TEEKACHARYA VIJAYEENDRA VYASARAYA or UPENDRA teertharu .. if SO WHY ? is it to be thought or just a coincidence ? i THINK my reason is not enough to know this ANybody help ?
• once a scholar who was learning under a great scholar .. was observing me
• the great scholar was of the opinion that only adhyayana is of importance and all other activities are of gaining something or other desire and detrimental to the sadhan /// for the scholar sadhana means only adhyayana of grantha
• one day .. i along with my vidya guru .. happened to visit the scholar and his very great scholar teacher .. scholar was totally under influence of the teacher ... so was daily doing paryana of granthas
• so in the discussion it slipped fro my mouth I have to do japa ..
• Scholar immediately said DO SADHANA why this japa and alll .?
• MY teacher gave a shrewd look ... and said what do YOU MEAN ?
• then a discussion broke up with elderly scholar puitching in saying what this japa and alll ,.. sadhana madbeku ri ... adhyayana madabeku .. yeshtu saari parayana madiri sarvamoola grantha
• hari in normal course in pre rayaru era I would have agreed to your statement
• BUT RAYARU is special .. many stalwarts have said this demonstarted this .. the times have changed ... will be changing even more .. there will be no time shravana .. miseries will be too harsh ... so times up for such rigoruous routes .. so all greater yatis in rayaru have merged in him ... and all younger ones look upto him and have become sign boards leading to him ... THIS IS REALITY .. so only rayaru .. with this you get all purushartha and gyaana and vairgya and next steps .. remember all those who go to rayaru are no mean souls they all have done adhyayana in their past births all vedas might have been read by all of you in your previous births there is no necessity to repeat them .. you require DMA
• coming back to story .. there was debate .. with sarvamoolaparayan versus japa
• now what the scholar had poorvagraha was japa is only for mitigation of navagraha dosha this dosha etc
• BUt it was pointed out to him that JAPA is favourite kaalkshepa of those whose sadhan ahs completed ... he was taken aback
• so JAPA is more peorful sadhana ..
• is RAYAR JAPA a seva ?
• Now kalantara SCHOLAR git into a big trouble .. he stopped adhyayana for months
• when asked what happened .. he said prasaana manasu iddare adhyayana vidhyayana .. ee sansaar taap delli yelli ... where was the argument now ?
• then he asked SVALPA JATAKAVANNU NODI HELLI enu NANNA AVASTHE ..
• I said GRANTHA PARYANA MADI ... adu bittu beredu heli
• enadru abhisheka madabahuda .. enadru teertha yatre ... japa homa
• SO I suggested MANTRALAYA seva .. he achieved peace later
• person said only if manas is swastha all adhyayana can happen if not how
• how ca one do adhyayana in sansaar taapa
• he asked if I can look into jataka chakra and tell him what is wrong ?
• i said why not do paryaana of grantha .. he said excepot that I can do anything
• so I said mantralya seva ..
• So adhyayana is not possible with misry laden mind .. THAT IS WHAT VADEEDNRA TEERTHARU IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS ROGADI upadravaat ASIDDHAKAYA alpamati
• BUT if prarabdha is full of misery then when to study ?
• so brushing aside the words of GREAT YATI and saying SARVAMOOLA PATHA will give gyaana enough to know everything to be eligible for MOKSHA is not aright argument
• it is laden with dosha .. of ahankara agyaana and alpanubhava
• If loukika guru could remove disease tandra kaam moha and still put one in right path then their argument will hold
• BUT this not to be seen in todays life .. and hence RAYARU
• EVEN VADEENDRARU says Though I have made a bold statement that I will tell RAYARU 's MAhima .. I am like a small tadpole jumped into ocean named RAYARU MAHIMA .. So my initial pratignya itself has gone for toss ... no one can fully describe RAYRU's mahima
• what taddpole can swim how much can it see ocen and how much can it explain
• so I am just an amoeba
• have no shape of mine yet venturing to give RAYARU mahima
• mera khud ka huliya theek nahi doosro ko kya sikhayon
• no i have placed this new thread only for discussion since there flow of rayar guna gaana will coninue later
• please do narrate
• i am waiting hari bhaiiaya
• yes these small issues do point to the fact that rayaru directly changes the mindset
• yes but for a person immersed in adhyayana it looks like superstition .. for those still more learned it seems like kaamya karma
• a man in adhyayana is nishkaam karmi and does not desire anything else but moksha but he is sure it comes through self efforts ie adhyayana
• I had learnt jyotishya under my father ..and later after my father i had a void .. so i went to all i knew .. after little pariksha of my jyotishya tidbits eveyone said they are not going to teach me
• Similarly I had a fad of taking mantras from yatis .. but believe none of the yatis gave me mantras
• while they would give it to students , office goers but when i would go they would look and say not now
• I went to all yatis in disguise ..
• with phate purane kapade unshaved after many days of punashcharana
• but my day never came
• FInally One yati asked me to come in wet clothes early in the morning and exatly sit while RAAM pooja was going on ..
• after the pooja he did abhisheka to me and asked do you take me as guru
• I said YES .. then he said .. then i will have to teach you ... then he said .. PRATYAXA ANUMAA AGAMA means of knwoledge ... and he stopped suddenly ..
• he took a deep breath and then looked me very sternly .. and said then smilingly said rest all you know .. you can GO
• So how do I do adhyayana ?
• Mera number kab ayega ?
• then i went to one uchhca bramhana and said you are my vidya guru .. teach me .. he taught me many secret things but when it came to bramha sutra and bhasya .. he said ivella nimage tilade ide
• this is very starnge incident in my life
• yes I had upadesha of the granthas in childhood by a great scholar .. but then i was six years old
• FROM then till today only RAYARU HAS TAUGHT ME
• MANY YEARS later I had a doubt .. I went to yati and asked him ... HE SAID I DONT KNOW >. while his sincerety and honesty was quiet surprising .. BUT HE SAID YOU WILL NOT GE ANSWE TO THIS if I DONT KNOW NOBODY KNOWS EITHER
• rashi
• SO its not that guru is hard to find .. BUT RAYARU is the mastermind for all he has blueprint for our sadhana ..
• kashyap we can discuss that in new thread aint it
• NOW This YATI I AM TALKING OF IS GREAT ASTROLOGER
• He even talks after seeing the nadi
• very gyaani .. asudha pandit .. and high sadaachara .. if one gets such answer what is the recourse ? RAYARU ...
• I think till now everyone has given rayar anugraha anubhava wrt loukika issues .. material issues .. i would love to hear from you all jnana issues too
• give me a break of ten minutes
• yes knowing chiraan is ignorant if first step to knowledge
• So what is best method of doing rayar seva ?
• see when for the first time one goes to raaru ... it will be mostly by hearsay ... a great yati all desires get fulfilled ... and one goes to mantralayam with a mindset LEts see idhar kya hota hai
• then according as yogyata of person , he gets a new experience
• the beauty with rayaru is he makes you do that ie follow madhwa sampradaya ..
• I was once reguarly going to jogeshwari mutt
• there one bhajan mandali was there which used to sing songs which would mean ALL ARE ONE
• and the archaka was quietly watching with hung head .. the amndali would sing for an hour
• and then disburse .. mostly aged people and very sad in disposition
• one day I had a very important meeting in malad .. and i ha one hour time left so i decided why not take one darshan of rayaru
• again the same madali and again same song .. all are one ..
• this time I got little wild .. first I took to task the archaka .. man how are you allowing this .. HE says if i say something then they will stop coming who will come to mutt
• He said complain to ,management ..now this archaka was no simple one he was very educated he had done sudha patha also ..
• managment ie manager and some others said why bother they will meet their fate ... what is our nimitta
• SO finally i asked the elderly man who was singing the song as to why he is singing this song
• he said he had leant them so he is reciting them ..
• I told him dear sir ... how many years you are doing this .. he said one year ... did you get any good result till date .. He said no
• my desires are yet to be fulfilled
• i told dear sir , if you stand before a KING and sing aye MAN you are odinary You are not KING .. look this man by your side he is alos king .. the one standing outside he is also king ..... WHAT SHOULD YOU EXPECT
• HE said KING WILL PUNISH ME
• BUT what was your motive to sing before the KING
• HE said to get rewarded
• THEN that means you will not get rewarded if you do something which your benfcatory does not LIke ..
• he said yes ..
• THEN I SAID LOOK RAYARU SAYS THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND HE IS VISHNU .. and HE GIVES RESULTS TO ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS KING VISHNU
• he said oh achcha
• and DEar sir . YOU ARE SINGING F WHOLE YEAR >>> VISHNU IS NOT GOD HE IS ALSO GOD THAT FELLOW IS GOD THIS MAN IS GOD ALL RE GOD ALL IS ONE ,... how will you get result
• he said Oh AM I SINGING THAT
• I said yes . then he said nobody told me here for one year .. people shoudl tell NO .. why are bramhanas there to teach ... you all have deprived me of one year
• he alleged archaka
• archaka felt shocked
• Then he tirned to me said what shoudl we sing .. then ARCHAKA came into charge and said si leave it to me i will teach them ..
• from then on the ASURA MANDALI became nija bhajanmandali
• HOW this happened RAYARU's grace ?
• RAYARU teaches people right path !
• he doesnt leave anyone as orphan
• and then instantly in few days the old man got his desire ..
• RAYARU took one year long service though defective and gave him instant result by giving him right knowledge
• THAT WAS BECAUSE ARCHAKA ALSO BELONGED TO THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN ADHYAYANA ONLY AS SADHAN MARGA so he was indifferent
• later this archaka happened to come to delhi with a group of people .. i was on honeymoon trip to shimla
• i happened to stay for a day in delhi so went visiting to mutt
• my wife insisted before going to himalayas .. we must complete tritiya vrat
• but archaka at delhi mutt became wild how can one do vrats niyamas in mutt a short notice
• the manager of mutt was one whom i had donated books while he was studying .. he remebered me i did not ..
• he immediately asked archaka to arrange even if it short notice .. this visting boy from mumbai recognised me and gave a hearty meals in the alankara pankti .. and was again and again warning archak to do things properly ..
• next day was ganesh chaturthi .. my wife insisted on going to mathure .. on the way taxi fellow took us to tak mahal .. and what a prarabdha .. just as looking taj maha moon arise by the side and my wife said what a beautuflu moon ,.. I said chaturthi moon definitely i will have apavada this year
• and we hurried to mathura to have krishna darshan ..and recited the parihaar mantra ...
• that year went with full of allegations
• but no collateral damage
• so moral of the story is people change with time
• rayru changes them
• best way to do rayar seva is MAHIMA GAANA know his greatness and sing about it ... instant results will come
• BHAJATAAM KALPAVRUKSHAYA NAMATAAM KAAMDHENAVE
• this KALPAVRUKSHA also gives gyana as bonus
• BHOOKE KO KHANA PEHLE GYAAN BAAD MEIN .. GYAAN JAROOR MILEGA LEKIN SWEET DISH MEIN
• aisa sweet dish ki usme bas KHO JAYE
• phir master duniya ki khitpit ko ek bilang choti kardo ..
• aur phir sweet dsh khane ka
• ek bilang aur choti ur misery ka patloon
• aur sweet disha kahyo phir kahoge yeh kya patloon kahan .. hum toh bhaiyya vaiagya ke langot me hi mast hain ab janee do na kahe ki duniyadaari aur kahe ka lafda
• thats how rayaru seva works
• bhayya sabke ghar me rayaru set ho jayen ...!
• shubha ratri
• proof of the pudding is in eating ...[ sanjaava bhaiyya take topic which you have not yet done adhyayan ... do rayar seva in the form of japa , gaana [ songs ] , namaskaara seva ... and see if you get gyaana of that topic prior to adhyayana ... the matter is clear .. if not ... if you ahve to read and only learn it ... then perhaps this type of seva is not for you ! if there is real jignyasa in knowing whether what VADEENDRARU is proposing is right or not .. or just as sone has put it as worth ignoring .... then one must undertake the pain to verify .. this way discussing for lengthy hours will not bring any conclusion ..... BUT REMEMBER VIJAYDASARU GAVE A FOOL GYANA BY PLACING HIS PALM ON HIM ... JUST TO SHOW A ADHYAYAN PRIYA SCHOLAR THAT GYAANA CAN BE HAD IN EASIER WAYS TOO >< WHAT CANNOT BE HAD IS GURUANUGRAHA
• second most important point that you have missed in your adhyayana [ perhaps you have not done adhyayana of how a bramhacharya ashram is started ] .. is to get guruupadesha .. one goes to guru with samit in hands [ iam sure you ahve not gone to your guru with smait in hand ] ... and then follows personal seva to guru .. guru does not put you on upadesha class from day one .,. after many days guruseva ., personal seva [ how please see smriti granthas .. sorry do adhyayana of smrite granthas under able guru ] ....then guru decides the course that has to be taken to teach the shshya according to his yogyata some learn in days some in months some in years ... some decades .....there are examples in smriti where some shishyas leave gurukul but some are not allowed to leave
• guru seva precedes adhyayana is known ony if one has done guru seva personally .. have you brought water in gurus house have you collected bhiksha for a guru on any given day ... please let me know ?
• if you have not been part of tis culture then I am sory to say your adhyayana is not out of prasanna guru mukha upadesha
• studying vedas and veda sammat granthas without knowledge of nirukta shikhsa chandas vyakarana kalpa jyotishya .. is like blind people trying to figure out elephant . [ these are not my words .. if you have done adhyayana you must have known this ]
• kindly show me one loukik guru who is currently teaching you all six vedangas all the while teaching vedas
• If you have the jignyasa to know truth and follow truth kindly ask your loukik GURU .. does he know it
• ji, It is our traditional practice of vandana that our gurus compose stotraas on their gurus. It is not "pradarshana" because they have really benefitted from such gnanis. But, your theory of exclusion is not in anyone's mind. If at all one can understand our tatvavada by placing his hand, Sri Vijayadasaru himself would not never adored Sri Tikarayaru in his devaranamas and such things only There are many such examples. Guru Anugraha is a precious thing and one has to make oneself eligible for that.
• if not how has he ventured into VEDIK VANGMAYA .. if at all ventured .. if at all he has allowed you to study directky without taking seva frm you ... THEN I AM SORRY TO SAY YOU HAVE LEARNT IN A FIVE STAR GURUKUL just like modern plush educational institutes ..
• ji, let us respect the post we just received from
• OH getting now SHOWING REALITY HAS BECOME PERSONAL
• why ?
• pseudo adhyayan mode you are in taking something which is beneficial to in shastras and leaving others is being hypocratic .. YOU KNOW WHAT THE VERACITY TO ARGUE DESPITE GREATS HAVING SHOWN PATH just because YOU HAVE THE PSEUDO FEELING THAT YOU HAVE UNDESRTOOD BY ADHYAYAN THAT VEDAS SAY ADHYAYAN is only marga ,, tantamounts to being arrogant .... IN YOUR FAVOUR WHAT HAVE YOU SHOWN IN [[ NANYA PANTHA ... } purushsukta vachan ... my dear the words are saying there is no alternative to JNANA .. not adhyayana .... so much is misinterpretation ... and JNANA IS GOT BY GURU SEVA is our argument ... now tell me how can you brush aside the words of YATIS as errand ... isnt it wrong .. NOW SHOWING THIS IS IT GETTING PERSONAL
• There is nothing personal in my comments ... WHAT is reality is sometimes if not shown seems like acceptance of LOUKIKA WAY
• NOw if there is jignyasa you can answer my questions as to HOW YOU HAVE DONE ADHYAYANA FIVE STAR WAY OR VEDIC WAY AS WRITTEN IN SMRITIS ?
• June 13, 2012 at 12:19pm
• PEOPLE ADVOCATING ADHYAYANA [ not just sanjeeva i dont blame them they are prtirupas of the system .. i am infcat indebted to kk and sanjeeva for raking up these issues ... if not discussed here where it will be .. and the zeal with which sanjeeva and shanmukha defend their stance gives cope to go deeper in smritis and shastras to get right pramaana .. so it is appreciable ,... offense i dont take in their words ...if they feel offended by my words i apoligise ] .... BUT system today has taken liberties .. with the way a vidya is imparted
• with liberalises system .. with fast track teaching process .. and lack of systemetised learning [ there is no time either ] if one claims that self study or liberalised study has given right knowledge .. it is debatable
• NOW if the contention is ADHYAYANA is form of SEVA ..
• HERE there are two views ... ONE IF GURU LIKE [ mind the word LIKE ,as RAYARU is still their ] RAYARU is around and we are doing adhyayana under him ... his guidance will be perfect .. and he would be happy with showing the zeal to learn ..and our adhyayana will have guru prasaad ..
• June 13, 2012 at 12:26pm
• here too when we are doing adhyayana if GURU SAYS .. CHIRAAN kindly fetch me a water
• IF chiraan says guruji I am totally immersed in adhyayana .. please get some other student ....
• HERE THERE IS GURU WILL NOT BE HAPPY and adhyayana os waste exercise .... NOW IF HERE SOMEONE SAYS WHY GURU GAVE SHAAPA when ADHYAYANA is best form of GURU SEVA ?
• I think then chiraan is ALPAMATI
• GURU'S PERSONAL SEVA supercedes ADHYAYANA is the contention of the thread ...
• NOW if in the above example .. if GURU's asking a glass of water is ignored , saying Adhyayana is better seva and I am in this mode GURU SHOULD UNDERSTAND perhaps GURU UNDERSTANDS and is testing is VIPAEETA GYANA
• When the foundation is Madhwa satsang then how can this be so disturbing to you if people have thoughts that differ from yours. You seem like an intelligent person and learning to agree to disagree is a requirement for intelligent debate.
• GURU in many such cases have shown that THERE IS NOTHING LOST BY MOMENTARY LAPSE OF ADHYAYANA this GURU CAN GIVE BY HIS [ ANANYA SHAKTI also ] but giving a glass of water ... TATKAAL guru ajnya paalan .. is paramount ....
• I think this was our contention ...
• SOME MOST INTELLIGENT STUDENTS go one step farther ...THEY ALWAYS are in ever attentive mode to look after GURU's needs and spend most of their time just attending to GURU ..,they are not bothered about how adhyayana is lost or how time has been wasted ... IF UNDER ABLE GURU such people always excel in ALL FIELDS .. somehow they get all the KNOWLEDGE AUTOMATICALLY by GURU KRUPA .... this is pratyaxa SIDDHA
• NOW OUR OWN MADHWACHARYA NEVER DID ADHYAYANA ... he said HE KNEW ALLL
• instead HE SPENT TIME IN ANANTESHWAR TEMPLE DOING NARAYAN SEVA
• MADWACHARYA DID NOT TAKE A BOOK and sit before ANANTESHWAR
• any comments
• The definition of ADHYAYANA as SEVA is limited only under GURU' able guidance ... WHEN LOUKIK GURU HIMSELF is not capable of imparting right knowledge as he is TOTAL zero in vedanga or just PASS commodity .. how come adhyayan under such guidance becaome a GURU SEVA OF RAYARU ?
• HARI that is point being missed totally here .. but I think KK differs .. what Kk has proposed is even after GURU SEVA adhyayan becomes part and parcel of anugraha ...
• HERE I WOULD have AGREED WITH KK prior to GURU RAYARU's advent .. BUT NOT AFTER ,, because a beautiful after effect of RAYAR SEVA ,, is sudden understanding of UNKNOWN THINGS WITHOUT HAVING EVER KNWON THEM THROUGH STUDY OR PRATAYAXA ... so when such a facility is available KK should take advantage is our contention ..
• GNANA is not necessarily throuh rote lEARNING from books
• IF WE SEE DHIYO YO NAH PRACHODAYAAT
• how gayatri can give prachodana to knowledge VISHNU rupas .. it is not saying prachodan through adhyayan .. gayatri is madatroy .. what it makes so easy for adhyayana
• so japa is also a means of pragnya
• Japa is RAYR SEVA .. it is uttam seva ..
• SO RAYAR SEVA is unique because it cuts short the delay between reading [ or listening ] and understanding a concept .... THIS IS POSSIBLE ... sanjeeva and shanmukha are denying this possibility so I insist why not give it a try ?
• exactly hari , if people could recall I always start this point in this way only RAYARU is available right here amongsta us .. HE IS UTTAMA guru LOUKIKA guru is not he gives gyana
• viju that is not proper
• you must behave satvikally viju .. its not necessary that our stance sould be always accepted by others peopl are entitle to opinions .. and opinions change with experience and not vaada
• BUT HARI what is the main contention of the debate here is ..... many have perhaps not catching the underlying dhrudha mata of others regarding rayaru ... that is RAYARU is a YATI .. ther are YATIS in all other paramparas ... ALL YATIs attain BRUNDAVANA .. from BRUNDAVA all these have equal POWER and acapacity to BLESS THE DEVOTEE .. RAYARU though present in BRUNDAVANA is no exception why single out
• IT is THIS underlying THOUGHT PROCESS THAT IS BEING CONSTANTLY debated
• WHY RAYARU .. can not RAGHTTAM TEERTHARU in his brundavan grant me jnana if I DO SEVA there
• CAN NOT I DO SEVA IN MALKHEDA and get KNOWLEDGE ... why force RAYAR seva on me
• SO I will DO SWADHYAYA
• this is the actual debate here
• WHY ONLY RAYARU SEVA shoudl give JNANA .. why not SEVA of other yati ... is other YATI LESS? or WHY YATI why NOT SWADHYAYA .. MADHWACHARYA SAYS SWADHYAYA IS many times better than japa dhyaana ...
• SO by raising Such questions .. what is consequence .. !> Importance of RAYARU being here among us is seen as no BIG DEAL [ or may be only for desires and miracles not in real sadhan point of view ] 2 > it equates presence of present day yati as same as RAYARU being present 3> may be rayaru is in dhyaana so what is technical presence here 4> evn if he is present why NOT OTHER BRUNDAVAN SHOUDL GIVE RESULT .. TEEKARAYARU is higher in TARTAMYA to RAYARU so his brundavan should give more phala ... 5> I dont want as big a phala as RAYARU gives but my sincerety and bhakti is in satyasandharu .. so does that mean i will get nothing there
• SO appanacharya has answered all these questions .. he has made some sweeping statements in his rayar stotra which can go against pramaanas ... yet vyakhyankaaras have made reconciliation of all such doubts with praamanas
• especially KAMALANATHO PRASADODAAYAAT .. says that RAYARU can give MOXA
• because what is kamlanaath prasaad
• HARI PRASAAD is moxa .. it can not be a sweet from banarasidas and company
• NOW LORD IS KNOWN AS MUKUNDA .. one who bestows moxa .. an no one else has this power .. so how APPANACHARYA went to such an extent as writing kamalaanatho prasadodaayat
• so many a scholars debate .. this is a ecstacy and emotional outburst it cannot be truth
• see if we go by just words then like previous debates it becomes unending .. wheher a jeeva can bestow a moxa to other jeeva
• BUT remember what do we resort to .. 1. HAYAGREEVA STAMP 2> VAYU AVESHA 3> NARSIMHA AVATARA episode where PRAHALAAD is given boon to bring people along with him 4> DASARA krutis 5 > acharana of great YATIs .. 6 > expeirience of many a sadhakas ..
• with scholars as long as scholar refuses to accept RAYARU as special and only as a jeeva .. he can always say show me exception pramaana that jeeva can give moxa .. since there is no exception nowhere it is mentioned ..so this appanachaya kruti is ecstasy it is unacceptable
• and it is unending
• but if scholars accept that thee is VAYU AVESHA
• VAYU can take jeeva to moxa .. and there NARHARI AGNYA
• in the form of boon to prahlaada [ bhagavat ] ... the perception becomes different
• similarly in teaching .. ie adhyaapan .. DOES RAYAU TEACH
• gyanam putralabho bhavetdhruvam
• how gyanam ... deepa sanyojanaat jnanam putralabho bhavetdhruvam
• which type of jnana .. permanent jnana .... now we all know adhyayana does not give permanent gnana
• it is laden with sanshaya vipareet gyana .. anyathajnana .. .. so how come just deepa sanyojana gives jnana ...
• scholars will not agree
• except adhyayana there can be no other mode of learning this is again a atishayokti .. of some one in excited mode of affection
• what is the link between deepa sanyojana and jnana .. if that were so easy i would light a lakh deepas and will i become jnani ?
• now first one must light lakh deepa with devotion to RAYARU and then ask this question
• SO JNANA is got by RAYAR SEVA DEEPA SEVA .. how RAYARU TEACHES ... he is good adhyaapan ...
• see when you know how to play international cricket .. and still when you are struggling with bowl you take expert advise from a expert retired world record holder , what he does , does he give you three year coaching class ?
• he will take five minutes and turn you into a record holder HOW .... one needs to experience ?
• VISHNU BHAYYA do you think your understanding of guru is better than appanacharya through your bhashya reading
• is it better than VADEEDNRA TEERTHARU
• or you are under the impression that vadeendra teertharu has not read BSB
• is he over riding BSB and giving statements in ecstasy
• please comment
• BHASHYA is bahuartha garbhita ... what is being said by appanacharya and vadeendra teertha is supported by bhashya teekas .. only thing is alpamati like chiraan cannot understand them .. directly from BSB
• BUT vishnnu bhayya what you are putting akshepa is whatever you have understood through your reading of BSB and teakas is final understanding and there cannot be anything else beyod that understanding is really surprising !!
• So much So that you say others yatis are only talking in emotions you are studying in non emotional way and hence your alpamati has understood everything .....
• isnt it overstimations of self understanding ? this is what we are criticising all through the evening
• coming back ... RAYARU CAN TEACH is known .. this teaching is direct is knwon by dasaru ...... anatarangadallli nintu preriso anantadrishdwaraye
• BUT what makes him special is kamalanatho prasadodayaat
• NOW WHY DOES JEEVA come into samsaara what is the purpose
• his purpose is moxa .. kamalanath prasaad
• so all the aparoxa gyaanis .. they have struggle hard to get moxa as dictum is one must try hard like bringing a wicked son under control .. to get the attention of LORD to get moxa
• this is really hard
• so even AParoxis are saying ... YES RAYARU has done a great upakaara on all us he has made HARI to change / bend his rule a little and said okay whoever RAYARU says he will get moxa .. bolo kisko chalna ... isko isko whoeer he points NARSIMHA IS GOING TO OPEN DOORS OF VAIKUNTHA [ I AM NOT SAYING ABHAGAVAT IS SAYING }
• so all even aparoxi is praying worshipping RAYARU saying .... I will come please take me ... please recommend me /... why this wrsip
• worship
• can we worship anybody ?
• for that VADEEDNRA TEERTHARU is giving the qualities of RAYARU .. look he is no ordinary mortal ... he is extraordinary his behaviour is extraordinary , his ways are extraordinary , he is above alll .[ because vayu is tere in him ] he doesnt have defects .. so nothing wrong in worshipping him above all he is very kind hearted .. he doesnt get elated or proud see even elders are prasing me ... nor he gets hard on youngsters saying dekha mere paas hi aya naaa
• He just becomes happy by smaller bhajan namaskaara with devotion ... he makes you eligible .. and he takes you to moxa .... simple . such simple way available ... vadeendra teertharu is saying dasari is saying ... why worry
• so this kamlanat prasaad is not AVAILABLE WITH ANY OTHER YATI
• granting MOXA by the grace of boon of nARHARI presence of VAYU is exception that RAYARU is made of
• now are we talking in air .. just imagination ..
• we have YATIs we have our elders we have devatas who have treaded this path ...so ours is not just a ecsaty talk .. its proven path ....
• today i saw a post in madhwas which is like this "Greatness of Hari Vayustuti as told by Shri Vadirajaru :
• Now here too the great yati VAADIRAJARU is saying he learnt about sarvamoola by VAYUSTUTI parayana ... isnt that guru seva
• See vishnu bhayya there is more to what you understand ... all that i have said can still be found in all vangmaya .. only it requires manthan
• now all these manthan for you to do will take many years .. here many yatis have simplified it and given it to us ... which is better option to unearth ourselves aftre years that what yati has said is here in this very verse i coud not understand .. or just follow a greater yati and reap fruits .. kindly make a choice
• i will give you one example ...vihnu bhaiiyya please look into it .. the shastra says prarabdha cannot be avoided it should experienced without fail there is no escape
• in one case a jeeva calculated that he has prarabdha left for which he has to take 50 births
• he became impatient he said fifty births I cannot wait for that long .. i want moxa immediately .. so he went asked HARI .. that please give some exemption ...
• what HARI did .. he gave him 50 rupas in one single go and all fifty rupas in one instant finished prarabdha .. and in short time ie time equalt to one birth he attained moxa [ amukta vaikuntha ]
• see HARI IS DAYAALu //// so some exceptions are there .. in terms of quick gyaana and moxa sadhan in this ghora kali RAYARU is exception By the grace of LORD there is pramaana
• please give your inputs and comments all readers
• ten minutes break
• Shuchi there is one case in mantralayam he is not a madhwa ..but had been doing seva for more than twelve years he used to reside in matralayam and do seva .. but he never got his desire .... finally after twleve years he came to ask a prashna to a astrologer ... an asked why is he anot getting desires fulfilled ? is twelve years seva not enough
• astrologer said another 100 years also you will not get ... he then left mantralayam
• this is where i was introduced to new concept caled shivapalit and vishnupalit horscopes
• loukika fulfillment there are many who have got loukika desires even though they were not muktiyogyas
• loukika desires come by poorvajanma punya .. durvas agiving duryodhan his desire
• how much that desire gives happiness is the yogyate of jeeva
• NOW coming back to grand question of HOW RAYARU TEACHES
• RAYRU can inspire our minds .. [ antarangadalli nintu preriso ]
• so what happens when he inspires your mind .... he raises a question in the mind ... WE ALL HAVE DEHABHIMANA MANOBHIMAANA TOO , we think we are thinking ... ah I have a question .... this squestion stays in your mind [ courtesy rayaru , he never allows the question to deviate from mind ]
• SO one thinks this question is troubling me .. ah he thinks think thinks ...
• in thinking ... many poosibility should ideally be thrown up ... our usual alpa reasoning capacity does not throw up so many possibilities of answers to the question
• again manoabhimaana makes us feel ah i am doing research
• see so many solutions .. what could be right ?
• rayaru places a stake [wheel in gambling den stops at one point ] at right answer ... and with all your pros and cons you know yes only this could be right ... y
• you feel you ahve become gyaani .. you place that new found knowledge among scholars you start asking learning ... it further confirms .. because this time rayaru gives answer through another gyaani .. [ whether gyaani knows or not he will give right answer ]
• now you are doubly sure ... yes I know this ..
• i know this .. sometime later somebody gives you abook you open it and say this is what I was thinking ... heaven man I was right ?
• BUT DEAR WHO GAVE THE ANSWER ?
• you do more seva .. more such manan happen if you are in niranatar seva .. nirantar gyaana pravaha flows .. where is time to waste
• in loukika adhyayana .. you have to read [ means take input from book to memory ] data acquisition time waste ... and then equip yourselves to do manan [ this is hard part one should be in good frame of mind ] while doing manan limited intelligence limited shastravalokan ... reasoning part is limited ... [ so much of processing time waste ..
• then doubts arise .. again go to eligible guru and ask .. again data acquisition time waste and then again sieve through it and fit the best posiible curve that becomes your understanding
• but your models best fit algorithm is faulty all your nalysis is wrong
• so consolidated chached info is of no optimum quality ..
• OUR RAYARU gives consolidated info in cache directly ready for access
• IS IT NOT POSSIBLE ?
• RAYARU has a extraordinary server with many capabilities of instant search and intelliegent presentation ... data on demand without timel loss
• so we dont have to do manan to create our own pros cons ... data on demand which has granthas like bhava deepa tantra depika gives correct info instantly .. from best possible server ie the author himself .. and places the read cursor at exactly the point where it is required .. and download is speed of light
• If data acquisition / processing times and physical hardware interface is bypassed and termed redundant ... some old genearation comps are unable to believe it
• INSTEAD THEY ARGUE such a phenomenon can exist only in sci fiction
• BUT RAYARU HAS latest TECHNOLOGY ... its should be seen to be believed
• why look for incidents .. i sai proof of puding is in eating why dont you try yourself
• arey bhai no kannada no english .. its machine language here
• koshish toh karo pyare ... poocho rayaru ko mujhe sikhao
• nahi jnana aya toh main blog band kardoonga
• mera confidence dekke toh koshish karo
• phir guru vuru dhoondhane ke chakkar se bahar aajaoge
• why cant you be that person yourselves
• NOW SOME LEARNED SCHOLARS [ those who have done comeplete adhyayana ] will ask .. if these phenomenon were available then where is the PLACE FOR AGYAANA SANSHAYA BHRANTI
• DO YOU MEAN TO SAY SUCH THINGS DONT EXIST IN HE WORLD OF RAYARU DEVOTEES .. how can they differentiate between what they are gaining and what may be bhranti