Bhagavadgeeta

• Usually MAdhwas have training from the childhood that PARAMATMA is different different from Jeeva ...So there cannot be at anytime doubt over the issue ..I was no exception ...
• But then as we grow up we meet all kinds of scholars .. some moderate ,some liberals ,some very staunch .... Some moderates tried to impress upon that , actually the philosophy is a flow of thought and evolves with time ., SO what SANKARA propounded was actually improved upon by RAMANUJA and then ultimately refined by MADHWACHARYA .... so while we need not look down upon advaitis , it can be just taken as another philosophy , the actual show down with ADVAITA and others is just a an extention of narrowminded fundamentalist attitude
• at an impressionable age we do think CAN that be true ? but again we enter school and are bombarded with Gandhian philosophy and also high romanticising of DESH BHAKTI . freedom fighters and Independence struggle ... suddenly these make you think are so many people fantasizing ?
• Bhagadgeeta STARTS with a question BY ARJUN ... IS it really necessary to FIGHT for the sake of KINGDOM [ ie enjoyments power etc ] or just give UP for the sake avoiding MASS MASSACRE ?
• All along Krishna says FIGHT that is DHARMA .. and here we have schools bombarding AHIMSA the MKG way ... and the GRAND NS thought give up something for the greater cause ... WHAT WRONG is ARJUN doing ... ?
• Then many also have a romantic thought of WHY evil should not be given a chance ? will they not improve ? ARJUn also seems to be indicating that what IF kaurava rule . what difference would that make ... is the world going to change by this WAR .. why not let me accumulate knowledge and attain NIRVANA
• WITH constant scholastic BOMABARDMENT .. VIVEKANANDA seems a great hero ... Ramakrishna seems a Great saint ... AROBINDO a philosopher and RAMANA a preacher ....VINOBA a great social worker .. Then all are ADVAITIS ...
• SO a thought occured lets see what SANKARA has to say about Bhagavdgeeta ?
• when seen It comes across that SANKARA finds it extremely difficult to reconcile his philosophy with BHAGAVADGEETA ..
• and unable to reconcile the DICHOTOMY in sankara interpretation becomes more and more obvious ...BUT if we leave common sense backyards and GIVE extra importance to the EXTRA LARGE image of SANKARA built up by Romantic heroes like VIVEKANANDA RAMANA etc ... it seems ver dichitomy is the message of BHAGAVD GEETA
• SANKARA seems to divide the bhagavdgeeta as two different rendering ONE FOR the unrealised and another for realised .. This becomes more obvious as VIVEKANANDA etc write their interpretation of BG ... they seem to toy with the idea that its better to follow the ways of realised and unrealised way is only for apprentices
• The views propagated by the ADVAITI is total difference 180 out of phase sadhana for SANKHYA YOGI and KARMA YOGI ...
• Arjuna seems to ask OH KRISHNA In one instance you praise the JNANA knowledge and then in the second instance You praise the KARMA .. YOu seem to be confusing .. WHEN JNANA marga is shrehstha [high superior ] then WHY are you pushing me into WAR [ karma ] where the possibility of raag dwesha attachments hate , are high ... [ in jnana marga one can just be elusive of such attachments and leave the world ] ....
• WHILE in reality LORD KRISHNA seems to be solving the querries of ARJUN ... BUT SANKARA interpretation seems to be fortifying the very QUERY of ARJUN ... it leaves one high and dry without actually getting the solution to ARJUn's query thru that interpreatation ... infact SAnkara adds to confusion by dissecting the entire bhagavad geeta as KARMa yoga and JNANA yoga .. VIVEKANANDA like a modern scientist , who relishes the thought of adding his contribution to previous thought [ just for the sake of it ] adds RAJA YOGA to it
• August 14, 2012 at 7:57am
• MEDITATION seems to be the is all be all funda of religiousness is what NEO ADVAITIS seems to impress
• Then there is ashtavakra geeta which says KARMA is itself the root cause of Suffering .. and just ZERO in your KARMA ..and you would free /.... People influenced with this philosophy DO NOTHING ... they just idle out ...
• On the whole Bhagavadgeeta in its interpreted FORM seems a varied TEXT driving inaction ... BUT anybody with common sense can sense that LORD KRISHNA is speaking about ACTION ... and its ARJUNA who is showing inaction ... IF BHAGAVADGEETA is speaking about inaction , then does it require 700 odd shlokas and detiled dialogue to JUST SAY ARJUN YOU ARE RIGHT Inaction is BETTER ...
• In the market in the BHAGAVDGEETA one gets only inaction discourse ... So I normally do not advice anyone to read bhagavdgeeta to begin a spiritual journey .. BHAGAVDGEETA should be read at the fag end of spiritual journey .. It answers many a doubts that arises in the journey . but if one has not treaded the journey how would one know what is the doubt and what answer is actually intending
• Bhagvad geeta is not a text in isolation , it has a background of BHAGAVAT and Pancharatra
• It is only MADHWACHARYA who highlights this text as philososphical exposition ...
• Superficial reading of bhagavadgeeta , what it does ? it gives rise to many many doubts ..... with no solution around it creates a wreck .. HOW ? a striking verse is "KARMANYEva ..." ... when one is introduced to Bhagavadgeeta with this verse ... The first question is can I get away with any karma ... Which KARMA shoud I do ... What is desire .. IS desire legitimate ? SANKARA bhashya does not answer any of these in clear terms , it infact gives Vipareeta gyana
• the fact that it is not a simple text which can be read in isolation becomes more evident because MADHWACHARYA has written two commentaries on IT ... why two commentaries ?
• Whats the great fortune we have in knowing the Works of MADWACHARYA is it legitimises many of the emotions , which otherwise with SANKARA bhashya makes one feel guilty about
• I have spent most part of my life [ till date ] with an encounter or two with evil people .. mostly sitting in position of power ... Looking at them sundarkand words of .. durmad , full of garva .. anger .. dambha .. becomes a real sight ...
• I have mars in 2nd ... the striking feature is one will be very stubborn .. a stubborn person when he has leo ascendant he just doesnt accept anyones authority ..[without legitimate reason ] in the least on the brute force ...
• This makes one get a first reaction of anger when one encounters a durmad person .... NOW the first thing a philosophical spiritual person would ask is IS MY ANGER JUSTIFIED .. mean not an interaction has started .. but just based on LAXAN shastra I am enforcing anger .. There is clash of EGO ... MAN is in power and we are normal ..the immediate outcome is direct CONFLICT .. This conflict which people in surrounding have found unnecessary .. nearly always criticised me ..as to what is the need for expressing such an ANGER ..
• The repeated conflicts makes one THINK AM i right ? is anger okay ?
• WITH question in mind ONE CAN actually not express anger too freely .. that is even more worse
• To add to woes SANKARA call it all a useless feature ..
• One has a feeling with these kubhashyas that emotions have no meaning at all ...
• and then whole life the world as we see seems to be a big burden to live ..
• BUt then are emotions like anger , vatsalya , useless .. we see no answer from texts
• BUT MADHWACHARYA as it is said in SUMADHWAVIJAYA .. the first reaction that he gives as he is born on earth , is everywhere people engaged in AVISHNAV acts .. completely immersed in sins .. so he feels like taking his gada mace once again and teach everyone a lesson .. THE ANGER he exhibits ... and then the authr says THIS IS LEGITIMATE .. now I ahve no calms about showing my anger .. what a relief .. And there is ANANDA in it ... FROm every angle MADHWA gives only happines
• BUT then anger we can harbour .. but when we do not have enough strength to counter these durmada evils .. WHAT SHOULD WE DO ?
• Go to SANKARA he will say ..what is evil what is good . its all mithya .. see yourself IN the DURMADA .. BUt that is not truth , I am nOT DURMADA
• SO SANKARA bhashya at every step and every doubt only misleads rather worsens the situation
• BUt then a thought occurs OKAY i amy be unable to see SELF in DURMADA , does ADVAITI see it .. may be he sees , ,may be he is more evolved person ?
• ANd this doubt always remains a doubt .... BECAUSE then try to offend the most calm sadhu type ADVAITI and he resorts to ABHICHARA ...
• By the time you realise the preachers of Calmness are nevr calm but most violent ... and worst of violent .. the collateral damage has already taken place
• Yes ADVAITI is evil hypocrite ,, its not just a good idea to think that they are just a philosophy and rendred IMPROVISATION by RAMANUJA and MADHWA
• Advaita bashing seems like talibanisation of MADHWA BUT I say MADHWA philosophy is more than that .... thats why people fear a real MADHWA
• Then GANDHISM has taken so much toll ... That I have anger .. BUT I will not exhibit ... I dont like durmada .. I am weak .. ask many madhwas what would you do .. They say what can we do ? DOES our sidhdhant give us any protective GEAR ... OH you mean VAMAMARGA .. NO NO NO ... is it real No o FEAR or lack of such practise
• If someone is solely dependent upon scholars of the day .. then it would eems its just a fate to see such durmada , be angry rather fret in mind and take the events as it is .. NO solution ..
• what to do , you cannot fight and go down as martyr .. and that is not recommended either ... nor can we keep quite without fretting
• Then one must read NARAYAN ashtakshar nyasa ..
• what is this NYASA .. IT says KRUDDOLKAYA NAMAHA ....
• WHO is KRUDDOLOKA ... ? what does He do ? what is the phala of the meditation of Kruddolak
• ONE who is like ULKA to a KRUDDA .. who is krudda .. a durmada evil is krudda ... and LORD is LIKE thunderbolt blazing meteorite like to THESE TAMOYOGYAS .. meditation on KRUDDOLAK gives victory ie it manifests the anger ... the durmad bows
• Then I see and meet many a people who are just indifferent whatevr we talk about GOD .. they seem to be engrossed in their own world ... If you say HARI .. achcha aisa likha hai .. wah bahut achche ... kal ka prograame kya hai .. ? YOu get angry .. these are evil .. BUT are NS .. BUT ten SHUD i show my anger .. or cut my relation with hIM .. THIS way I WILL GET ISOLATED ... BUt then I want some result I want him to respect my view ., bow and JUST BOW even if he means or not BOW
• How do I do it . LORD is known as VEEROLKAYA // here veera is NS and lord is like a thunderbolt to them ..and keeps on causing fear and resentment in them ...
• when satvikas go astray one gets angry .. but then can we just regulate them .. NO ,,, MAHOLKAYA namaha ... one who is like a great LIGHT for the SATVIKAS ... LORD will bring them to good path , our JOB is to meditate on these rupas when we see such people and get angry
• SO there is SOLUTION to every kind of PROBLEM in MADHWA sidhdanta ... PROBLEMS are REAL ... solution is desperately needed on REAL terms ... The relief from SOLUTION is real .. The happiness is REAL that MAKES WORLD REAL ... ONLY MADHWA can teach us that
• Its MADHWACHARYA who says .. GET HAPPY first know what is HAPPINESS and then try to KNOW real HAPPINESS ie KRISHNA ... once known everything else seems secondary
• MADHWACHARYA gives legitimacy to the THOUGHT of being HAPPY .. how beautiful LIFE then becomes ... WE live a full LIFE ..
• yes
• He gives explanatory notes to those verses which have been wrongly percieved earlier ad then in another he enhances with pramanas
• RAYARU has written
• Sreedevi Chulki share the highlights of discourse
• ramesh anusandhan is right ...
• FOR KAMAL suddenly life has a aim VISHNU and PREETI
• Karamanyeva " I think cannot be explained by one who has no considerable spiritual progress .... the every concept of desire , karma and phala , nishkaam , bhagavadarpana ... if only this is all about it .. THEN entire BHAGAV geeta seems to be just a
• without proper discourse it always creates much jignyasa ... the result if one is not prepared to study continuously it leaves one high and dry ... Tackling bhagavad geeta just as the introductory text . naturally will lead to skip detailed analysis