MOVING EARTH vs Stationary EARTH ! what is the truth ?

• Mohan you can present your poorvapaksha in sankshep as to what you find as most glittering FOR on this topic , and then I will counter ...
• we will not use shastra statements at all .. i will be using only science to refute the MS argument .. but jury must acknowledge the science is the concept and evict the scientifically superstitious and blindfolded
• Okay MS give the first one liner
• Ramesh Laxmisan is an IIT ian .. he can also be a jury
• well thats a good start .... SO the first contention of poorvapaksha is that atmosphere moves along with earth ... and hence relative speeds of the objects on earth and atmosphere is zero so no havoc can be caused ... SO IF WE PROVE THAT RELATIVE SPEEDS OF ATMOSPHERE AND OBJECTS IS NOT ZERO but VARIABLE will this argument be silenced .. ?
• So lets take an object on equator ... For the Earth to rotate once in 24 hours, it would need to be moving at 1,669.8 kilometers per hour (km/hr) at the equator. (Note: 1,669.8 km times 24 = 40,075 km, which is the diameter of the earth at the equator. Perhaps you are used to that figure in miles, which is approximately 24,902 miles.)
• If the Earth rotated about its polar axis, it would have to be moving fastest at the equator and slower at each mile closer to the north and south poles. Theoretically, the tiny point at each pole would not be moving at all.
• why ? because alllongitudes have equal circumference but then lattitudes have smaller circumferences .. so as the we reach north pole .. the object nearer to pole will have less distance to be covered in 24 hours and hence will have to move slow .. HOW SLOW ?
• so at 90 deg lattitude speed wil be zero at 60 deg it will be 834.9 mph that is at oslo norway ....
• at 50 deg ukraine it will be 1073.32 mph
• at 40 deg columbus ohio chile it will 1279.14 mph
• at 30 deg 1446.08 at new orleans BRAZIL and at quito equador ..at 1669.8 mph
• NOW consider the air just near your feet is it atmosphere .. above the earths crust ... whe you are standing at delhi it will be rotating at different speed and as you walk towards eqautor the air is moving faster ... so technically every delta X change in distance has variable spee of atmosphere .. and it is not constant ... so when an object moves from place A to Place B owing to varying speeding molecules of atmosphere hitting him does it not give rise to varying thrust and force onto him ... do we feel any such varying pressures ... as we move ... THE LOGIC given is that since the atmosphere and people are moving at constant speed there is zero relative speed buyt from above it is clear that even a change in delta meters there is change in speed so how is relative speed zero ?
• agreed realtive speed is zero at that lattitude .. but what happens when object moves from one lattitude to other ,, does he get thrust or NOT
• isnt the moving object facing variable atmosphere speed ? By that logic atmosphere varues even to Micro meters in its vicinity it is not that for a band of lattitude atmosphere remains same ? think scientifically ?
• objects speed changing with its moment from north south all by itself isnt that a great imagination ... i mean a when calculating a projectile do we consider that at point it was having x atmospheric pressure and and point B it changed due to rotation of earth to y // no scientist ever considers this in projectile motion ? JURY can step in
• SAy i create a BAND OF 30DEG LATTITUDE .. AND FOR SIMPLICITY ,.. A PERSON IF AT 60 DEG .. IS MOVING AT 830MPH AND AS HE STEPS OUT INTO 30DEG LATTITUDE HE FACES 1440 MPH ... THIS BOMBARDMENT OF AIRSPEED AND INCREASE OF 600MPH SUDDENLY .. WILL IT AFFECT HIM OR NOT ? KINDLY BE SPECIFIC ...
• WHEN WE SEE .. IN REALITY ACCORDING TO THE DIFFERENTIAL SPEED even when you move your foot a step ahead the air one feet ahead is at varying speed then your body one feet back .... now SAYING BODY AND FEET ARE TRAVEELING AT VARYING SPEED SHOUDL SPLIT THE BODY
• i will leave this argument here ... for the good senses of jury !!!! and proceed to next step of arugument in my favour keeping the topic atmosphere ..
• for that kindly calculate the change in speed for small changes then it will be clear what i am talking .... [ please remember your argument for splashing of water .. a small disturbance of splash could alter the G force on water ... ] so what stops from body getting a force onto it ... do we anytime suffer such force while walking .. kindly calculate the amount is 20 miles for a deg and mile for a minute of arc ... you go from one end of city to other you experience a mile /hour chamge ... ? i have not seen . but calculations shows ... so it is not negiligible ...
• MY next argument is ..... MS says the change in speed of atmosphere along the lattitude shoudl not affect the commuter ... that means if one goes from centre to POLE ie 3963 miles .. he faces no problem in atmospheric changes that shoudl ahve actually happened due to variable atmo .... BUT see a man climbing a mountain ie 10000 ft that is just two miles .. faces shortage of oxygen
• why ?
• All of this shows that there is more oxygen near sea level (i.e., at the surface of the Earth) than higher. The higher into the atmosphere one travels, the lower the amount of oxygen there will be, because the air is thinner: There are fewer molecules per square meter. That is true even though the percentage of oxygen is about the same (roughly 21 percent) at each level or altitude.
• The rotational velocity of the air atmosphere, V, is given by: V=2πr/T Where r is equal to R + h, R is the radius of the rigid Earth, h is the altitude height (from the surface) and T is equal to 24 hours. In any rotational system, the larger is the radius r, the greater is the angular velocity V, the greater is the angular momentum (m V r), and the greater is the amount of inertia (m times r-squared), where m is the mass
• let jury decide .. after i give my angular velocity logic
• 2π/T is a constant when Earth rotation is considered, since T = 24 hours.................Each atmosphere layer should have a different angular velocity; the angular velocity becomes greater at higher altitude......................rotational velocity at the surface of rigid Earth is 1670 km/hr.” But if one goes to an altitude of 500 km (which is getting toward the limit of the atmosphere and the boundary with space – but is not quite that far up), the “rotational velocity at this height is 1800 km/hr (500 m/s)
• we are talking about rotational velocity as we go away into atmosphere away from earth into space PLEASE NOTE
• this is second argument
• In other words, to be traveling along with the Earth as it rotates around its axis (if it did!), atmosphere at 500 kilometers would be moving at 500 meters per second (about 1,118 mph). Near sea level, the atmosphere would be traveling at 1670 km/hr, or about 1,037 mph. That is about 81 mph greater. So at 500 km (about 311 miles above sea level) the pressure of the atmosphere (gas) would be greater than at sea level.The greatest pressure is at the farthest point from the center of the rotating body or part.
• Since we know that actual atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude instead, the Earth cannot be rotating and have the atmosphere we know.
• MS you cannot say this now complex etc .. your arguments were NASA knows better SCIENCE so it has to be dealt with in depth to see what is what ?
• NOw someone should telll me why atmospheric pressure is low whereas physics says it should be high ?
• YOUr argument was if lattitude changes automatically relative speed changes ... now in the above post even if lattitude does change but MAN goes higher into space he has to face change in atmo speed ... BUT is that seen ... instead an opposite observation is seen ... so where is the observational rationalism gone ?
• the gaseous atmosphere, if rotating with the earth, would exhibit properties for which the centrifuge is made: Heavier elements and molecules would be driven outward. That means there would be relatively more oxygen than hydrogen at high altitudes, and more hydrogen than oxygen (by percentages) near sea level. That is because oxygen is heavier than hydrogen. And the result does not agree with reality (that says the percentage of oxygen stays the same with altitude - just the amount decreases).
• tell me by ABOVE isnt it obvious that EARTH Is STATIONARY .. as reality is exactly opposite to what physics shows it has to be ? secondly .. there is no relative zero too even at same latitude .. just jump a bit atmo changes
• MS your argument is atmo does miraculous change on body objects and everything with each miniscule chnages in motion ... yet with temperature it violates the dynamic adjustments of rotational logic and shows tremoundously opposite characteristics ,,, SO ACCORDING TO YOU TEMPERATURE has a greate role than rotational dynamics ... IF SO then when body changes its position from place A to place B .. before your magical forces act to make **relatively zero ** there has to be intercation of varying speed air molecules on body causing great friction and thrust conevrting into heat and a big temperature change which should be able to nullify the ** forces of zero relativity conservation **
• JURY before I go further .. please sum up this round after MS answers '
• please read my comment if temperatur is very great force then it nullifies your first stance that with lattitude relative zero can be maintained ... because for such maintenance a high heat generated has to be doused !!!!
• MS one last question .. You have agreed to variable speed at lattitudes .... and DO you agree when a person moves from system A [ at lattitude x1 with speed Y1] to system B [ lattitude x2 with speed y2 ] there will be some friction he will face ?
• kindly answer yes or NO
• If your answer is No then it is against physics .... if yes then you will have define a phenomena that douses the friction and heat and temperature changes which will make relative speed zero ... [ this can only be an imaginative system .. as we dont face any heat while moving from place A to place B ] if such a system exists ., its parameter needs to be known and taken into consideration while calculation simple motion of projectiles in life which NO scientists does .. I sum up ... JURY can take over ... what is the conclusion of this round .. I feel MS has not offered any logic l... his defce was weak
• MS if you see angular momentum logic .. farther we go more shoudl be atmospheric pressure .. but in reality it is less for this you have given temperature as factor ... now you say it not major factor .. that is contradictory
• you have not read properly ..... MS .. if at lattitudes air moves at terribly half the speed [ isnt that significant change from 60 to 30 ] .. now this movement of air is due to rotation [ as shown ] then you have agreed that it gives friction ... friction has to give heat.... heat gives temperature increase .. [and this is not felt in reality ] so if relative zero is to be achieved then this temp heat should be oppositely doused by a phenomena [ which acts at infinite speed ] ... can such a thing be possible ?
• RK jury isnt the atmosphere rotating along with earth as per poorvapaksha ... then isnt the air molecules that move at equator will move at lesser speed at 60deg lattitude ... these aair molecules ..dont they interact with moving object ?
• if they interact with moving object [ the object that has moved from equator to 60deg ] , then this object should face friction owing to varying speed .. this shoudl cause heat
• NOW in our day to day life we dont see this heat ... that means if rotating earth were true .. then then HEAT is DOUSED immidiately at [ infinite speed ] only then relative zero can be accepted .. ... BUT DOES ANY SCIENTIST EVER CONSIDER JUST INFINITEY FAST DOUSING phenomena .. in day today physics ..
• Ms saying it is just complex .direct relation cannot be taken . is not a logic .... because NEWTON does take a simple force onto a moving object without considering any atmo etc .. isnt that too simplification .... and yet acceptable .... infcat NEWTON halucinates an experiment hypothetical that one can go on a huge mountain and throw a stone projectile so that it can rotate around earth ... so all halucinations are scientific freedom Is IT ?
• WHEN a shastra says it is complex science demands it nbe simplified .. and when science is asked for explanation it says complex .. that is not allowed in a fair debate ... whatever complex has to be established ...
• you will have to say why such a friction is not seen ... which is very obvious and logical ... saying it is complex however it happens is no argument , its superstition ...and can be commented like snake swallowing sun ..
• while prativadi has accepted varying speed ... friction and yet not replied to heat temp and its absence ... it is clear this round has seen weak defence
• MS .. se newtons laws all are direct relation only taking a ball of mass and distance .. and nothing else .. has anybody disputed newton with lack of cmplexity ?
• RK jury ... 0.08 km is 80 mts per hour .. that diffrence would make even anil kumble a fast bowler
• kindly explain coriolis effect and show how it suppresses the differences in atmo speed
• The erroneous bit of folk wisdom you refer to says that water always drains in a clockwise direction in the Southern Hemisphere, and in a counterclockwise direction in the Northern Hemisphere. The supposed reason for this "fact" is the Coriolis effect, which has to do with the effect of the earth's rotation on moving objects.
• EVEN IF coriolis effect is accepted [ say just for fun of it ] ... it acts only to keep the motion along the earth ,. THIS [ RK jury please note we do not dispute ] ... is accepted that air is moving along earth .. BUT DOES THAT MAKE AN OBJECT which has arrived from equator with 1600 speed SUDDENLY depress into 839 mph .... NO it just makes it follow clockwise or counterclockwise [ that too not for bathtub water ie air too at foot level ] ... so this argument is no good
• MS it doesnt exist for atmo has been proved by experimentation !!! please note
• MS oh ho .. water in a bath tub and atmosphere at foot level dont they have similar effects if a PHENOMENON has to exist .. it has to act on air molecules above draining water too ...
• MS you need to give comprehensive answer to this too " BUT DOES THAT MAKE AN OBJECT which has arrived from equator with 1600 speed SUDDENLY depress into 839 mph .... NO it just makes it follow clockwise or counterclockwise
• if this round is summed up I will make another presentation of facts
• MS instead of saying corolius effect proves that earth is rotating ,, kindly concentrate on answering the cons of coriolis effect .... IT is just an explanation for a phenomena .. it is not proof .... so it can be countered ..
• and WHY DOES THSI CURRENT not appicable for ICE CAPS of ANTARCTICA .. i mean even they are moving .. so current should exist but we dont see ICE CURENTS
• Yes...speed decreases gradually only ...ans not abruptly because such abrupt changes do not happen.where's the contention.?..... is the MS answer ... MS has forgotten that S RK jury has pointed there is change in 80 meters per hour speed for every km ... ie if a SPINNER in cricket goes one km away from his birth place he would bowl 80 mteres/hr more faster into the east wicket ... BUT SPINNER always remains a spinner not a fast bowler as he goes to northern lattitude
• September 12, 2012 at 11:55am
• MS what IF spinner is bowling into the west against the rotation ?
• The statement saying earths rotation can alter is indeed bizzare has anybody in centuris ever recorded a 26 hour day ?
• what is against observational logic how can it be called THEORY ... and also wind flowing towards east will add to things moving east and will deter things moving west ,. HOW CAN THEY BE SAME ? Jury to note ... smilarly for one travelling north the wind will be pperpendicular ...
• MS you must give solutions to questions raised by US .. instead you are seeking NASA links to prove ROTATION .. if links Proved ROTATION then there is no debate at all
• RK never in history of mankind has there been a slightest change in rotation ... this is confirmed !
• OTHERWISE even if milliseconds change .. we would have two leap years
• MS logic and halucinations dont go hand in hand ... if clocks do so then RAHU does eat SUN
• NOW MS your arguments are increasingly beoming superstitious .... relativistic clocks does it make a 23 hr a day to 24 hr a day ..
• CAN jury sum up the findings till now ..
• I can show you MS // we shall come to that
• NOW relativity .. perhaps I know better .. SO unless topic comes it is difficult to say whether statements made are corect or wrong .. so judgement should be reserved
• THERE is no need to digress topic at this point ./.. The round 1 was whether there relative zero // I have proved suffciiently it causes basic violation of physics ...
• RK jury when a person moves from x point to why point its speed changes .. so also a ball when it moves NORTH it has to slow down .. when bowling against the rotation its speed is negative isnt it .... or not ?
• suppose earth is rotating west to east .. atmo is also along west to east at 1660 mph ..if I bowl something against it .. and it is recorded at 140mph .. what is relative speed of bowl
• RK jury we are asking actual velocity for an object in AIR ... not on ground ...
• HARSHAL jury .. relative speed betwen earth and atmosphere is not zero in varying bands ...
• say if for every km 80 mph change is seen ... so every 100 meters 0.8 meters per hour is seen .. and for every meter 0.08 mph change is seen .. so where is relative zero .. it is dynamicallly changing even with cm
• air movement isnt it changing every cm of space .. how can one imagine that for entire pitch of cricket the air is constant and relatively same wrt earth
• what you have said now MS is not physically possible ... because we do not take such constraints while calculating speed ...
• RK jury let me bring spashtata .. in your assumption ... the air at point x1 y1 speed ... at x1+ 1 mt it will y1+0.008mph more ...
• say a ball is bowled at 150 mph ...
• what MS is saying is at x1 ball is having y1+150 mph .. and at x2 it becomes -y1-0.008 +150 mph so that it is relatively zero and as it goes further it keeps losing ... speed only to maintain zero and 150 mph ... what makes that ball lose momentum owing to being on earth is IT EVER EXPALINED ... no its just assumed
• MS [Acharya...I am not bothered if you take such constraints or not. That's how you should go about it speaking theroetically ] ..... this quote is again superstition ....... you are accepting a dynamically changing air speed against your ball and yet taking it as NIL ... isnt that gross simplification ...
• RK jury the scenario exists in all directions for science .. so that is over simplification ..
• MS you have accepted at every infinitisimal point air speed is different .. so ball which has left hand how it will know it is countering y1 speed at x1 and y2 at x2 infinitesimally small x1 and y1 .. and adjust to become relative zero ? please explain the phenomena dont say IT IS SO
• RK but in practical world can you say you are in perfect east west any slight ske isnt that going to cause problems .. do we see any such ?
• MS because relative position of passenger changes .. plane is insulated else external air would never make passenger safe
• SO as we dont see any such extraneous plus minus of forces automatically acting on balls or objects [ to get relative zero ] it is definite that there is no rotation and hence no botheration to dynamics .. safely projectiles can assume a static conditions and they work ...
• September 12, 2012 at 12:51pm
• MS say plane is moving at variable speed .. will you be able to change seats ..
• why do you experience jhatka // ? if plane changes its speed ever now and then .. if that happens continuously .. [ as air is shown to have ] people will murder pilot ..
• So you have agreed that when the moment that is [with you or against you ] not constant will cause force thrust friction on you and hence you cannot change seats ..... in atmosphere theory there is assumtion that it is constant but I HAVE PROVED that for every centimeter it chages that means it is variable and like plane it should cause friction which is not seen ...in reality ... so earth is not rotating
• I will give more points in second round ... wrt to satellite technology ... lets sum up round one
• okay ,, but i need answers to question and not fresh diverging arguments .. round 1 is about relative zero only ... so your arguments should be for relative zero ... not fresh rotational logic
• so JURY agrees to variable speed .. at every point ...
• Okay we will continue when jury's are active
• I am enjoying MS being on backfoot .. else its always shastra bashers who go on spree freely ...and rarely exercise restraint ... but i will promise this should be waterloo
• September 12, 2012 at 1:50pm
• Mohan I went dep because you acuse that except NASA nobody has cosmos knwoledge or physics so i had to just give sample ..
• NO i am not science like advaita creates illusory statements .... where convenient they use things like negligible , not applicable ... etc etc .. and for others they want everything to be logically laid bare ... this is just like your favourite argument of adhyasa bhasha ..
• Don't underestimate science and others who have spent lives discovering new facets..----------unquote ...... nobody has discovered anything by years of research ... all the theories are present in kalinga shastra
• September 12, 2012 at 2:24pm
• what I am talking is also years of research MOHAN ,, and i am equally attributed with new things DONT DISCOUNT THAT
• certain things we shall leave it for time to solve ..... for now task at hand is relativezero - a hoax !!!!
• MS if ever you get a chance do observe the space from telescope and analyse the data .... 90% problems will be solved
• THEY were just following their books thats all ...its grossly over estimating a mletcha brain that he coudl possibly write something in his drawing room over years of thinking and that is UNIVERSAL TRUTH ... the fact is they got a readymade theory ...
• EVEN rishis and BRAMHANs dont get visions of TRUTH by just sitting unless they have UPADESHA .. so how can a mletcha have it except to delude
• Einstien who was a duffer all along suddenly how did he get a formulae .. people say he locked inside the room and went on thinking and got it ... is that really possible wrt to nuclear and space science ... and that getting it accurately implementable within life span ...there is HIGHER things into it .. stories dont reflect truth
• without doubt ...as long as they are in that birth , they are
• even for discussion sake we must not say here is amiss in ACHARYAs like madhwa rayaru etc or amiss in shastra ... so says VADIRAJARu that leads to naraka ..
• else we have to be always be consuming Genta MYSIN . arithro mysin ... amplisin all mysins ...only ...
• September 13, 2012 at 6:33am
• CAn we move ahead to round two .. as variable speed of air over continuous patch of the area has been established .. and that sets zero relative speed of objects wrt earth at jeopardy and suspicious ...
• object acquiring varying speeds at every delta motion is against science ... how can object know that it is at particular altitude and needs to acquire particular speed to compensate for zero relative speed .. what gives it that acquisition of speed variably /.. [ to prove this it will be a mathematical nightmare ..... ]
• when you observe a particles under SUN's rays we observe that particles move in various direction and not only just west to east ...
• nightmare has been used to say that it is impossible ... because passenger inside aircraft if not given controlled atmosphere ... they will not be able to travel in plane ... try sending a man at 500mph . is that possible .... NO ... so velocity being acquired being on a system .... and being outside it is different ... DOES the air outside the aircraft get a drift in opposite direction negative to its natural movement or with aircraft .... NOW is AIRCRAFT flying with summed up speed of AIR at earths rotation + propelled speed ? kindly reply .. yes or no that will takle next argument
• MS let us get back to basics , why is air rotating along with earth ?
• why it should not be considered . ant is not stuck owing to your characteristics it is on you owing to its own characteristics , so as long as the motion is uniform it is intact else it slips off ..irrespective of its dynamics [ movements ] as we change speed ant is never stable ... GK neither is pen and liquid ink in it RUN at variable speed ink will spill pen will hurt you even though in pocket .... that is effect of VARIABLE SPEED ././try taking aircraft at variable speed all the passengers will break a teeth or two ... there is no RELATIVE ZERO even in AIRCRAFT if speed is VARIABLE
• since air is at variable speed ..the ball moving thru it cannot acquire instantaneous variable acceleration ..
• he answer is because air is glued to the earth by gravitational and since earth is rotating...the stuff glued to it also rotate----------unquote ......MS ............ MS so you agree gravitational force is only factor ....and it is independent of mass of object over earth ... so G is only factor ... If the air is moving at variable speed [ which is accepted ] ... HOW can a single factor G change over every gradient the SPEED ... say G is propotional to speed of air over earth ... if speed has to change WHAT IS THE FACTOR ? kindly use logic now
• as far as basic goes G is almost constant .at every point on earth ... so eart moving at variable speed at various places ,, should make air over it move slowly or fast ... WHAT accounts for it if G is constant ?
• keshav has a point ..
• MOHAN you have not understood my question ... let me repeat .. please read or JURY must make known .... if G is CONSTANT ... how can air glued to it rotate at variable speed at infinitsimal changes in places ... and also the objects ... HOW CAN A SAME CONSTANT account for variable speed ... as mass is independent factor ... what is the OTHER FACTOR please make known SCIENTIFICALLY ...
• RK jury IS my question VALID please make known ?
• MS you are not addressing my question .... aircraft is closed controlled system ... if you peep outside aircraft half body inside ,, you shall not be able to keep you r hand here and there .. even though your entire body is inside aircraft
• sitting on airplane also one acquires speed of airplane does it get sustained even for a minute ?
• in a bullet train which is open ..mosquito cannot move from compartment to Cmptmnt .neither men ...please note .. if train is enclosed .. and moving at constant speed .. then men mosquito can fly .. if at variable speed .. even mosquito will get washed away ...
• MOsquitoes dont fly at doors of train ...or windows ...
• September 14, 2012 at 11:27am
• NOW people are resorting to statements rather than proof .. I have asked if G is the only factor responsible for a closed system then it is known that G is constant ... how can a single constant account for variable speed at every infinitisimal chnages in spatial coordinates ? please answer rather than giving statements EARTH - ATMO is closed statement ...
• assumptions of closed system do not make a proof of concept [ ie rotation ]
• RK jury exactly ...THE sunlight ... the roving cameras of outer space sending signals .. all this confirm it is not closed ...
• MS there is no common point at all .. we have diabolically opposite frame of reference ...
• ONUS is we prove .. I AM VITANDI FOR YOU .. so you will have to answer MY QUESTION ..
• GK but do you concede basic physics that single constant cannot contribute to variable speed .... I hope its very basics
• i will demonstrate that this constraint is concealed b SCIENTIST when the implement ideas of G ... in next round
• MS i have asked very basics questions .. I am yet to dell into depth ...if at basics itself one says quit ... then it shows how ridiculous is this theory ROTATING EARTH
• YES i explain again .... In the first few posts I have sufficiently demonstrated that air is variable at every delta change in space ... when a ball is bowled ... it is facing variable speed air thrust on it ....but again the ball is said to be acquirng this variable speed at every instant [ due to some unknown phenomena ] is prativadi [ as popular argument goes ] what saying .... to account for zero relative speed ... NOW BALL is acquiring variable speed wrt air around it mysteriously .... PRATIVADI says it is due to gravitation .... NOW IF G is responsible ... G is constant .. so a constant should give a constant out put ... why is it GIVING variable output ? if it is giving variable o/p what is the factor other than G or within G that enacts this mysterious variation on BALL
• BALL and as well as AIR
• RK jury your question actually helps me in nexxt few discussion rounds .
• I am nil in physics .. RK jury .. i am refering to GRAVITATIONAL force as abstractly put forward by pratvadi as G .. is it constant or varying ?
• SAMEER let prativadi form an opinion if it constant or variable ,, either way he will enter abyss ... YOU SEE NEWTONIAN physics is challeneged by many scientists also and there are many alternate theory of gravitY ... but newton and his aides used brute force to silence them ,,, and that phase is of science is bloody as well ..
• RK let me give some idea of CAPITAL G .. to show how shaky science is .kindly look at this ciatation " G is quite difficult to measure, as gravity is much weaker than other fundamental forces, and an experimental apparatus cannot be separated from the gravitational influence of other bodies. Furthermore, gravity has no established relation to other fundamental forces, so it does not appear possible to calculate it indirectly from other constants that can be measured more accurately, as is done in some other areas of physics. Published values of G have varied rather broadly, and some recent measurements of high precision are, in fact, mutually exclusive"
• NOW .. for major part of the discussion .. when this jury was not formed .. SHASTRAS were accused of not having observatory freedom and too simplistic .. and it went for a whole day .... NOW I want to just go to basics to show that it is actually SCIENCE and its development which is more simplistic [ like a child observing the world around him ] and trying to dole out a opinion ... when confronted harder .. even scientists of repute shake ... ask any scientist most basic questions he will get angry , and or use ridicule as tool to get away ... but never address from basics .. this escapist approach has kept it alive till date
• The FAC correction factor (Δg) can be derived from the definition of the acceleration due to gravity in terms of G, the Gravitational Constant (see Estimating g from the law of universal gravitation, below):
• g is proportional to G isnt it .at sea level ... but changes for things above sealevel .. [ please keep this point in focus JURY ] as we discuss GEO STATIONARY SATELLIETE
• RK jury taking the discussion further I would like to draw attention to the fact that every constant is ambigous accepted by science itself leaving a margin of error ....NOw using these ambigous terms some certainl sure unambigous results are attributed to SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY .. which any logical brain should reject .. HOW i shall show
• I need confirmation from JURY and prativadi whether last post is in good spirits of sceintific ambit
• so shall we start round two or prativadi quits here itself .. so there is no debate left
• QUOTE ' Now how do we know that this theory is absolutely true and part of nature. There is no way to know this. Theories are always corroborated and NOT proved. This is my opinion and they are statistical in nature." UNQUOTE ... that is where the LOGICIAN discards science .. I had told in initial posts If paracetamol works it does not mean MEDICAL explanation of JWARA is correct through BIOCHEM .. .. becaue even medicines works on 60% people .. and why it does not work on rest 40% is not explained nor can be explained
• The major difference is MEDCINES allopathy is non specific and immunity suppressor .. whereas AYURVEDIC is specific an immunity booster ... does not make vaat piita kapha explanation more robust than blood temp etc ..
• RK jury but science is deemingly challenging ABSOLUTE TRUTH ESTABLIHED by shastras .. and want to reinvent wheel by DOING SOME ILLOGICAL OBSERVATION and seeking solution ...
• IN a debate making a JURY completely admit is the FINAL THING isnt it ? memebers can come in
• September 14, 2012 at 1:26pm
• NO my comment was not in the context you took GK .. i wanted to show .. even though g changes at every altitude ... NEWTON makes some very simplistic assumptions which are used ij GEO stationary sateliite launch ...now THAT simplistic approach which is not scientifcally correct has still managed to be useful and entire communication is standing on it TODAY .. using this TUKKA [ a chance happening , a lucky coincidence occurrence ] people are trying to falsify SHASTRA that earth i STATIONARY ... the point t be asked is why is FAULTY theory stil working SHOULDNT THERE BE ALTERNATE explanation
• RK jury .. now For the PEople like
• September 14, 2012 at 1:41pm
• GK i had asked for confirmation from prativadi .. that if i show that sceintific theory as propounded if that is not implemented and yet if the result is positive , CAN that be taken as failure of science and a case for BETTER EXPLANATION ... PLEASE give ur views before we go to level 2 ...
• OKAY ..
• No as a lover and natural bias towards science you should express opinion ... GK
• YOUR neutral stance can be interpreted as acceptance
• GK in spacescience all the experiments are working fine .. only thing is they are not conducted according to the theory propounded ... IF this is shown ... WHAT WILL YOU ATTRIBUTE THE VERIFIED RESULT TO ?
• in other words the parameters used in eperiment if the theory says the experiment should fail .. but if experiment succeeds [ ou do not have any clue why ] but stealthily ou attribute success to THEORY what should be inferred ?
• if you are not agreeing , but if it is shown .. YOU SHOULD AGREE TO TUKKA ... and say that intended experiment is indeed FAILURE ... YES OR NO
• September 14, 2012 at 2:09pm
• T is tested with Parameters a b c and theoritically it is said P is result ... if a b c are practically not implementable .. and instead a` b` c` is used .. and P is result / if T is said to be successful by SCIENCE .. it is called camouflage
• No i dont want a withdrawal i want some basic elements to be made clear as to what i will be doing in level two .. ptherwise we will be circulating in same circular argument and infinite regress ..
• obviously T becomes wrong because P is achieved through different process which is inexplicable yet attributed to T isnt that a DHURTA way of establishing things .. let me give another example .. a street magician cuts a nimbu and shows red colored substance as blood .. now its neither blood nor the magic .. so street guy is liar .. but your say he need not be liar ... how far is that corect
• so if you agree we go to level two
• we will open new thread
• ARTH [ laxmiji] chanchal hai woh nirantar ghumta hai