NRIs giving pravachanas

• http://vimeo.com/60802822
• from the face reading and haav baah he looks more of an actor
• bakwaas ki had hoti hai , 1> madhwacharya theory is 10000years old , 2> earth rotating ,3> newtonian theory is TATVAVADA ... 4>realsim is not understood by BOOKS IT ahs to be realised .. 5> maharishis gave TATVAVADA thru their thinking ..
• In the name of TAtvavada , everything BUT TATTVAVADA [ and all excatly opposite to it has been SPOKEN subtly ] in a paper presentation ..
• why criticism here BECAUSE the root of the LOGIC seems to be inpresenting the WHOLE TATVAVADA as acceptable and in TUNE wiuth 16th century EUROPEAN thinking ... tthe fundamental base is being built on the BABYLONIAN theory of 10000 years old EARTH
• that is sheer insult TO VAYUDEV ... to amke him look as a NOMINAL thinker OUT TO IMPRESS world with a NEW THEORY asopposed to SANKARa [ who was also just a MODERN thinker of EAST in the eys of WESTERN scholars ] ... DO WE REALLY NEED this PERSPECTIVE ?
• MAY such perspective works with NEOSPIRITUALISTS with sceintific BENT of MIND ....rather loking for ARATIONALE behind MADHWA's words , BUT such people amke a HEINOUS crime of SEEING the GREAT devatas revered persons througha LENS all the while i the mind contemplating IS MADHWACHARYA just like others ... AND such an activity never GIVES the MAGNANIMOUS LARGER than UNIVERSE picture of ACHARYA MADHWA , who need not ahve come down to GIVE this TATVA VADA , but only to carry out ORDERS of VEDVYASAru , he has allowed himself to be subject of SCRUTINY for the ORDINARY
• WHILE to arrive at a conclusion that YES AMDHWA is only RIGHT , one may use some anecdotes , BUT for those who are into MADHWA FOLD , one need not explain TATVAVADA as a scientific theory ., which it is NOT , MADHWACHARYA need notbe portrayed as just another thinker who HAPPENS to be RIGHT .. MADHWACHARYA is our SAVIOUR , but for him and TATVAVADA we would be lamenting in HELLL . if thsi uapkara is not mentioned or realsied IT IS WASTE to talk about TATVAVADA , IF we talk about TATVAVADA ...as an intellectual persuit , it fetches nothing
• THERE is a undertone to impress upon young MINDS [ especially the educated youth withs cientific bent of mind ] that LOOK OUR TATTVAVADA is appreciated by teyh LIKES of PROFFESORS of UNIVERSITY fo west , intellectuals fo west , those settled in ABROAD and have been calling themseklves successful , SEE TATVAVADA influences YOU peers , SO DO have a LOOK at it ! this approach is NOT worth it .... PHILOSOPHY is NO INTELLECTUAL ROMANCE
• I strongly detest the IDEA of SOMEONE who does nOT even REALISE teh IMPORTANCE of basic DHARMA and VEDA and who does not ahve BARE MINIMUM CRITERIA of a UPADHAYAYA , venturing to TEACH others ... and that too with atone PERHAPS you DO know WHAT you ahve in your BACKYARD long forgooten .. ARE our youth so ILLPRESSED for SEERS
• OUR inspiration to leran TATVAVAVDA should come as a outcome of RESPECT and learnings from our OWN MATHADHIPATIS .. they shud form the source of our inspiration , SCHOLAR who ahs done SUDHA mangala and digested the thought process of JAYATEERTHARU and spent his life in a PAVITRA environment doing UPASAN shud be the TEACHER ...
• when a ordinary stands up and poses as TEACHER he DILUTES even the nectar to a LEVEL of NONALCOHOLIC carbonated .drinks
• what would have been the scene if pulakesin were among the audience ?
• sab mundi gala vertebral column 360 degrees ghumate
• a person whose fingers are all spread wide while talking , means , he is talking what HE knows NOT but with an aim to surprise ..
• when reading the LAxanas in neetishastras one quality was POINTED out repeatedly for dharmik works ... THAT is PAVITRA .... so MADHWAS must look into thsi quality when choosing to LISTEN to ANY PERSON ... DOES that PERSON LOOK PAVITRA ,,,..
• Mohan Suswaram the ire expressed is exactly in that PAIN that dont COMMODIFY , one can sell casetes ,cds and books on other SUBJECTS too atleast be truthful to TATVAVADA
• in the previous few decades the SELFPROCALIMEDLY the line between a STrictly leading [ life ] BRAMHAN and a "ashaddhala" seems to have vanished , the latter has UNABASHEDLY assumed his RIGHT to PREACH just ebcause he has a DEGREE under hsi eblt OR an ACHIEVEMENT .. this should change , SHASTRA rightful;y BELONGS to ONLY a SADBRAMHANA
• EVEN great RISHIS were made to do GOSEVA GURUSEVA before giving an upadesha , some cried fopr years why LEARNING ahve not blessed them , ALL THESE are to amkea MAN PAVITRA so that VIDYA embraces , ONE cannot in APAVITRA avastha talk and make SENSE .. [ the words PAVITRA says a lot]
• BUT he calims to have been validated bY DR Bannaje ... so where is the root ?
• OR is it that claimng an UMBRELLA called Dr BANNANJE anybody can shoot of posteria
• HE was equally amused , so a CT
• problem is all other groups are too pseudo secular to CRITICISE anything THE REALISM is missing
• ACTUALLY so much criticism was not warranted ... BUT the downside is INTERNET is HIGHLY vIRAl and can turn this FAULTY idea into GREAT pravachan within n minutes and PSEUDO secularly SPIRITUAL groups too pblige and make it a STATEMENT
• THEN it will eb struggle of another LONG debates to UNDO them .. by that time FATAL blow would have been dealt on MANY
• maa of all dogs dogma
• mre paas macbook hai projector hai screen hai iphone hai [ 9.8 foot G hai ] Tumhare paas jya hai
• aapajaan
• bladebabji bijoy
• thats indeed failure of B as he keeps producing such FIZLEss sodas
• as
• Hrishikesh Srivatsa will point these out NOW
• finally is being REAL an ism
• Viju ke andar ek keeda hai .. us keede ka B ke andar ke KEEDE se bahut PANGA hai aisa LAGTA hai ...
• B ke andar ka KEEDA kya hai ? MADHVA siddhant ke TEEKSHNA warheads [ tartamya , varnashram dharma , bhedha etc] ko arvasadharan banake pesh karna ...
• yeh VIDEO ekdum gend ki tarah VIJU ko milgaya ..
• Mohan Suswaram you ahve raised a valid question , why ?
• FOR answers we must analyse certain characteristics of a neo spiritual PERSON ..certain people are very much in competition with an EVIL populars and face failures , they at one hand admire the POPULISM of evil and at the same time having failed in attaining same height seek alternate
• while seeking alternate themotive is ONLY to make adent at the POPULISM and not in dwelling deep into reality , IN the process [ as the alternate our siddhanta is GOLD mine ] in the evry first few pages enough material is found to contravene and make a dent .. so teh NEO-S immdeiately closes the book and rushes toa ccomplish his mission ...
• th first few rounds of success HE REVELS and then very lately he opens the BOOK again .. and again finds few more tenets and rushes out to ahve a new WAGE of antiPOPULIST agenda ... IN the whole attempt teh LARGER picture GOES amiss ... NEITHER the author KNWOS nor presents when asked EXTEMPOR makes it up TO MAINTAIN his ANTIPOPULSIT mood .. this where everything falls FLAT
• THE SARVAMOOLA shud be studied ina A PROCEDURAl MANNER and with NIYAMAS , when one does NOT do that HE gets a WRONg pcture .. and sometimes misses the ACTUAL purport .. HWOEVER when AMJOrity fo scholars LACK that NIYAMA we get distirted versions everywhere .. HENCE teh use of WRD ashaddhala !
• shubha ratri , am on travel for few days , hope memebers will keep forum alive
• March 2 at 3:26pm
• LOOK at the MOVIE , you shall see MADHWACHARYA deply angushied , having desires , udvega , thinking with doubt .. A person who is DVAITA will never view MADHWACHARYA that way ..
• taht shows sript writer has NOT even a INKING IOTA of knwoledeg of who IS VAYU what is HIS PRATAAP ... che is the only word that can come out of my MOUTH .. looking at such PERCEPTIONS ... CAN anyone be called SCHOLAR this way ?
• look at teh portrayal of BRAMHANAS in the movies IMPOVERISHED , half clad , THE 13 THE century was FULL OF vIBRANCY AFFLUENCE and POMP ...
• we all know OUR GRANDFATHERS owned 1000's acres of LANDS .. in previosu century itself , so gong back SUCH imagination is NOT evn mentioned in BOOKS , why TONE down EXEMPLARY ERA
• why PAINT a wrong PICTURE ,, either admit LACK of KNWOLEDGE or say DELIBERATE ATTEMPT .. BUT do NOT BOAST scholarship
• PAERHAPS that deliberate POOR PORTRAYAL is what he calls as BALANCING ACT
• I say dhik
• shubh ratri
• IS ther any counter ? has DR cared to clear ...
• has anybody else given samarthan ? if not why DO analyse ?
• why is teh analysis needed to be DONE , that will give an insight into TODAYS youth aged and spiritualistsespecially AMDHWA clan
• there is an underlying STATEMENT in silence SO amny are appreciating WHATS YOUR PROBLEM MAN .. and what IF i dont CARE about YOU !

hari bhakthi of mletchas vs brahmins

What is Hari Bhakti ?

Its affection towards LORD with complete knowledge about HIM according to capacity !
The second part is very important . How does it come ? BY studying or listening to Bramhin’s adept in shastras .

Your question is if Hari Bhakti is there then why make such a hue and cry about procedures and rules and regulations and extreme dwelling on VARNA and ASHRAMA DHARMA ?
[
Especially in the background of my answer to one of the non dwijas that HARI BHAKTI is why worry about Yagnyopavita etc ...] Courtesy ISCKON

A very good question logically but a little introspection shows that there is primary contempt towards VARNA and ASHRAMA dharma ……….

Let us analyse this on different planes to evolve a right answer ……….

Firstly let us analyse the term HARI BHAKTI wrt Mletchas ….. Dwijas and LEARNED BRAMHINS ……………

Do all these have similar HARI BHAKTI ? [ your question primarily assumes them to be similar ...

How is it their Bhakti is different and varying in degrees ...........?
I shall give some examples ...........
We all love our Parents ....... universally everyone loves his parents ...... there is no denial of this fact ........... In the west when children grow up they desert their old parents .......... In the east people look after their parents .. primarily love for parent is more than West ......... Can this be disputed .....

even in east certain families live nuclearly and yet keep a close ties with parents Parents are somewhat happy and somewhat sad about the distance .......

In case where everyone lives together happiness is more as there is more proximity and sharing of good days and bad days ........
Even in these cases there are some who give 24/7 attention to their parents .... sacrificing their personal enjoyments some take extreme care of aged in the family .......... These are more loving towards their PARENTS .........
Yet some do all the above and also look after the departed [ a concept hitherto unknown to west ]

some do pitru sadhana ……………..

So what exactly is the difference in these categories ? Are all of them not having the Pitru bhakti ?
If a mletcha says I have pitru Bhakti so what I dont live wit my parent , o what I dont look after them in old age , so what if I dont obey them to the core [ Like Pandavas accepting Kuntis verdict on Draupadi ] yet I have pitru Bhakti and that should be alone enough why make hue and cry about culture and east and west Hindus …….. what if I marry a west and desert my Parent … is Pitru Bhakti not enough …………….. ?

BUT as YOU SEE the demonstration of Bhakti is itself BHAKTI and not frenzy of ISCKON .. for demmonstration of Pitru Bhakti you must know shastra and importance of PITRU from BHGIRATH , SHRAVAN RAAM etc … who will tell all these only a learned Bramhin ……..

In so many different pitru bhakti categories , even if two diffrent categories marry there will be conflict of interest and offspring may not be as good as their superior category parent ..

[ in palmistry there are artistic hands and spastic hands , when two marry the classical question is whether offspring will be an advancement of spastic type or degenerated form artistic hand ? ]
similar question arises with people of two category marrying …
if such marriages are ramp[ant thn total degradation is what can be seen .. with total absence of high culture and infact such a culture will get extinguished [ this is what is seen in west ]

So it has been effectively shown that BHAKTI varies and mletcha Bhakti cannot be compared to Learned Bramhins Bhakti ……………

The more the knowledge more will be devotion ………… so a knowledged man to be happy has to marry equally knowledged woman else they will have differences in married life and incompatibility ……………..

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plane 2 ————–

In this world Hari bhakti and shastras will be alive only till Bramhins who are adept in these exist ………. without shastra gyana Hari bhakti is not possible ………. When there will be no bramhins adept in shastras then this knowledge will get depleted and misinterpreted to suit thugs and sinners …………

So Hari bhakti comes with Knowledge imparted correctly by Learned Bramhins …….. Learnings are gene based and not rote learning ….. the quality to learn do upavasa sadhana and japa with austerities are engrained in genes ………… a mletcha however hard he tries cannot stay away from hunger thrist women even by mind …. his mind is ever engrained in these issues hence he is called mletcha …. that is nature ………..

the offspring will also be similar as needs of Indriya are body based and body is alwys akin that of mother …….. so a bramhin marrying a Mletcha will give rise to a mletcha only ……….
so slowly all bramhisn will be bereft of learnings ………..if your logic is accepted ……….. and there will be no hari bhakti left at all …………………………

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plane 3 ………………..

WE all believe in shastras …….. even ISCKON believes in shatras ………………
Highest shastra is imparted by SRIKRISHNA in the form of BHAGAVADGEETA ………….
ISCKON also quotes geeta here and there and everywhere ……………….

what is Geeta all about ………… ARJUNA asking Krishna that war would lead to distrubance in the order of society due to intermixing of catses and VARNA and ASHRAMA DHARMA will get lost ! Why at all war ?

Krishna in every chapter talks about VARN and ASHRAMA dharma . He says to safeguard this Dharma take to arms ARJUNA …

Why is Krishna stressing so much about VARNA nd Ashrama dharm ………..
Some say times have changed , Though message of Krishna is relevant context of Varna is irrelevant ………..
How can we come to this conclusion ?
Krishna gave discourse Geeta in the beginning of KALIYUGA ……… definitely it is meant for people in Kaliyuga only >>>>>> and we are in just Kali sandhi ……

WAS Message of geeta only for ARJUN ? No it was for whole mankind [ ISCKON cannot dispute on this else their revenue model will collapse ]

if it was meant for MANKIND , are we people in KALIYUGA not part
of this , is it not menat for us …….
Then why take message of KRISHNA in bits and pieces ,,,, why not accept it completely with acceptance of VARNA ASHRAMA dharma ….. ?

Who gave anyone right to comment on KRISHNA ‘s message that this portion is relevant and this portion is irrelevant .. I mean have PRABHUPADAS surpassed KRISHNA in determining that “ KARMA phala tyaga “ is relevant to this era and verses explaining “ VARNA ASHRAMA DHARMA “ are irrelevant ,,,,,

OR KRISHNA had no idea that his geeta would be followed in 2011 also nd hence he did not give idea of making it universal ? Even harbouring such thoughts is sin ……

If geeta were not universal [ i mean every verse of it is universal and eternal and has relevance in every era ] SO many ACHARYAs would not have taken so much pin in writing BHASHYAS for the GEETA .

So VARNA ASHRAMA DHARMA is very relevant in all ages …. as KRISHNA and GEETA makes a big hue and cry about it it has sense in following it …………….

Finally if VARNA ASHRAMA were not important ,,,,,, Then ARJUNA wanted to leave VIOLENCE and take to SANYASA in GEETA itself it is mentioned ,,,,,,,,,

KSHATRIYA ARJUN WANTED TO FOLLOW BRAMHIN DHARMA OF MEDITATION OF KRISHNA ………… GRAHASTHA ARJUN WANTED TO BECOME SANYASI AND LIVE A LIFE OF RENUNCIATION …………

WHY did KRISHNA not ALLOW HIM ….. insted KRISHNA says you will attain hell by doing so !\
YOU are a KSHATRIYA so your dharm is to KILL those adharmis …… You are a grahastha and you have to look after the praja and regulate them ….. so stick to VARN and ASHRAMA dharma is what Geeta message ………..

ISCKON claims proprietary on geeta HOW they missed this part ? Or they accept geeta half ….. HALF KNOWLEDGE leads to treacherous death like ABHIMANYU who had half knowledge of chakravyuaha ……………………..

Finally we must have full faith in KRISHNA and accept every word of what He has said and not selectively take what suits us ! By selectively taking his message we are casting doubts on the relevance of HIS discourse !
There is no discourse as sacred and complete as BHAGVADGEETA !
Krishnarpanamstu ….

on mletcha land

firstly all these questions should have been kept in mind before going and settling in mletcha land …
Shastra says one has to live in lands where there is varna ashrama dharma intact in todays world it limits to maharastra ,some parts of gujarata ,south MP , above uttarakhand and below narayana ashrama karnataka ,andhra and north tamil and kerala states only …. rest all the land is majorly without hari sannidhi ………

so living in these lands [other than thsoe which are bhagavat ] kali will be in full force … so however hrd one tries , one will not be able to maintain vedic lifestyle , in the least varna ashrama dharma ………
so when these are clearly laid down in smritimuktavali ….. trnsgressing them and then lamenting for loss of vedic lifestyle is not correct ….
once a living in the mletcha land has been accepted , loss of bramhantva has also been accepted ……… [ in one of the replies i had told one such NRI that one must introspect why He has gone to mletcha land … …

2. once settled in non vedic land which is kali prerita .. one becomes powerless ….. kali foremost pollutes th bramhins its his nature …..
firts yagnopaveeta , then food and then vedas ….so such interfaith marriages are not ruled out because mletcha is a pollutant and instrument of kali …
3. in kaliyuga once you see something wrong with a person wrt dharma , one must shun him ….. and him only and nt his family .. so parents of such mletcha sansarga children need not be shunned ..
4. children no longer can be called bramhins …. no mangtra deeksha , no upanayana ……….. yes naam sankeertana … naam mantra …… can be given ……..
5. now why these things are happening ……….. because .. in future mletchas will teach vedas to Indian in few centuries later …. they will give new interpretation to vedas and life purpose as there will be no temples left and no shastras left …….. these people in the garb of ornge robes from west willl descend and give discourses on atma parmatma along advaita ….lines…………
6. to do so mletcha himslef will be incapable but such bramhin mletcha offsprings will be perfectly capable ……
this is contribution to hari dwesha ………
7. prayaschitta … for whom , for parents of such couples ,,,,,,,,,,,they can resort to krichha and ekadashi , and vishnu panchak upavas to absolve themselves …………. Hari is dayalu will look after them . as it is kli who has engulfed them and they are helpless ……. Hari seva is prime importance ……..and only prayaschitta …