Son in law to both Hari and Vayu

• APPA shiva mommaga ALIYA henga adha .. ? vayudevara mattu parmatma nigu ekakaaladalli aLiya yaru ?
• how means , both have given their daughters in marraige SO
• arey koi attempt bhi nahi karta hai .. khud question pucho and khud anwswer do .. yeh bhikoi baat hui
• THIS shows people dont listen pravachans with keen ness simple answer but no one is attempting ..
• OKAY let me answer ... DHRUVA is SON in law of LORD SHIMSHUMARA and VAYUDEV ... his wife BHRAMI is daughter of SHIMSHUMARA rupi HARI and his other wife ILA is daughter of VAYUDEV ..
• BHAGVAAN ka damaad bhai ka KYA kehna
• this comes in BHAGAVAT how mnay times people listen to bhagavat but finer elements one must DO MANAN ... just listening is not enough .. one must ponder each line while doing MANAN ..
• AGAR BHAGVAAN hi FIL hai aur LAXMI devi MIL toh kya kahtirdaari hoti rehagi nahi
• UPAR se VAYUDEV BHARATI bhi , ekdum double bonanza
• DHRUVA raya is said to have ONLY SUKHA PRARABDHA [ no dukha at all ] ... ab samajhe KYUN ?
• In this world maximum upchara / pampering one gets only in IN LAWS house and the more KNOWLEDGED the in laws are more perfect will be pampering ... AND who else OTHAR than LORD and VAYUDEV are most knowledged .. that means DHRUVA raya is MOST pamperd PERSON in this UNIVERSE ...NO doubt he figures n BHAGAVAT as BHAKTAGRESARA ...
• entire PRAJA is under the control of STARS .. the very body of SHIUMSHUMAR is STARS .. so he is OWNER of destiny of all PRAJA thus PRAJAPATI
• CAN we say we get DIFFERENT GUNA CHINATAN when we do MANAN ?
• NIMMA akkana maganeno .. rangayyaa nanenu madide NO RANGAYYA RANGA nee enna kaya beku ...

Sade sathi and its strange ways !

• One who supports the person in sadessathi even that person gets affected and suffers ..
• this is knwon by the poorvajanma charitra of SONS of PANDAVAS ... why did sons of PANDAVAS died wihout marriage and progeny ? whythey ahd to die at the hands of ashwaththama ?
• yes
• Once JAIMINI rishi asked MArkandeya rishi , oh rishi , just a sbramahan is shretshtha among the manavas , so also mahabharat is greatest among the purana itihaas, iahve some doubts in his mahabharat kindly clear my doubts
• Jaimini rishi asks even though born to great Pandavashow did prativinnbdyaetc draupadi sons died without marraige .
• ten minutes break
• Once there was a KING named HARISCHchandra
• sab so gaye lagta hai
• HARISHCHANDRA was a just ruler andnoone ever thought of doing adharmik karyain his kingdom ...everyonedid only dharma and no woman ever bor a child prior to attaining YOUTH .. no one ever died prematurel;y and even though praja was brimming withwealth and propsperity none exhibited any form a ego ... it was and idela kingdom
• NOW it is to be noted that when everything is OKAY , everyoneis happy and we are in best of our period , we may think we are settled and nothing go wrong from here .. everything is just perfect and future is safe [ it has been insured ] BUT when sade sati comes even the most stable thing withers away like a speck of dust in toofan called SADE SATI
• RAJa HArishchandra one day went into the FOREST to hunt ... there he heard some woman crying for help " oh SOMEBODY help somebody HELP we are in danger , somebody is FORCIBLY taking us against our wishes "
• RAJa harishchandra shouts " dont worry your king is here , WHo in presence of HARISHCHANDRA has left moha on his own life , to get to adharmik act , I shall send him soon to YAMA fr such act ! lady do not fear .. !
• NOW what was the real story .... VIshwamitra was trying ISHAAN mantra siddhi which he was not eligible for ... the siddhis [ the ladies were afraid ] that even though not eligible VISHWAMITRA is forcibly trying for her ... so all vidyas that wuld come
• KING with avehsa of GANAPTY in roaring ANGRY voice [ his anger increased as GANAPATY made it more and more severe ] and reached the spot where WOMEN were crying ... as he loudly shouted with his bow strapped , who is the PERPETeror of sin ? " VISHWAMIT
• VISHWAMITRA asked , you the lwoly craeture comeout why are you hiding ? KING came out trembling and with folded hands falling on the feet of VISHWAMITRA said , Oh SIre " I have been doing my duty , of protecting my praja in my kingdom, its not correct of you to punsih me the one staedfast in doing MY dharma , I am eligible for your KARUNYA and mercy do have mercy on me "
• VISHWAMITRA asked " what is your DHARAM let me knOW"
• KING said giving daana and protecting the weak is my dharma , daan to eligible bramhanas and those who ahve lost tehir livelihoodis dharm of teh kINGS .. and protecting people from sinners and waging war for that is also my dharma "
• VISHJWAMITRA said okay then I am eligible bramhana , and i seek daana , would you give ? KING seeing hope f his survival immediately said anything that you would wish I shall give Oh great sage , I am thankful that you have shown mercy on me "
• VISHWAMITRA said " okay give me daana f wealth as fit for doing RAAJSOOYA YAGNYA " KING said that given anything that you would require do ask first .. " VISHWAMITRA asked then give me ALL that you possess as land , surrounded by LAVAN SAMUDRA your per
• NOW VISHWAMITRA ordered YOU should not stay in the alnd where I am prabhu so choose yourself the place to live where My kingdom does not exist there is no place for you here .. you can leave immediately taking your WIFE and young child right now , and yes remove your crown , ududaara and wear only valkal
• AS king gave up everything and was ready to leave ..VISHWAMITRA asked , WHERE is my dakshina of wealth for ARAjSUUYA yagnya , if you dont give promised your kula will be destroyed
• King said i ahve given you everything now i have nothing to offer , can i repay that in the curse of time .. VISHWAMITRA asked how much time do you require , KINg said 1 month .. and giving permission to KINg asked him to leave immediately ..
• entire praja of the KING went after him asked him to wiat andnt go leaving them behind , praja asked how will such a great KING live , look at hisfeatures so bright with RAaj laxans theyw ill get dusty by the dust ,. tthe kingw ho enver left anywhere
• KING comforting his wife , looked at VSIHWAMITRA and said sire I am leaving !
• this act moved VISHWEDEVATAS and they immediately said OH BRAMHAn athis is not right fo you .. IF a grreat KING who does YAGNYAS is tio face such insults we shall not be taking any SOMAras of any KINGS .. whats the use of great karmas ... such acts m
• VISHWAMITRA said .. okay you shall be born as humans [ but will nt get into biurth cycle of humans again andd again ] , you shall die unmarried without children and gain back DEVATVA ..
• SO these vishjwedevatas were UPAPANDAVAS who were born due to curse and never married and were killed by SHWATHTHAM a[ nrlipta killing without raaga dwesha ] so no further births and regained DEVATVA
• vishwedeavats are vasus
• HARISHCHANDRA got raajsuya phala .. it was prarbdha , one of the anadi taptrayas [ like pandavas going to vanvasa]
• MORAL is when you are in sade sati , do not anger bramhanas , elders , 2> dont overpromise 3> keep low profile 4> face everything with courage if something ahppens despite precautions 5> dont get emotional .. 6> do your duty with faith in LORD 7> never abuse your opressor in sade sati [ he will be inavariably doing good to you ] 8> dont count on support [ they will immediately fall at feet of your opressor ] 9> you ahveto face your own troubles .. 10 > never think you will be always stable ... sukh dukha comes in phases be always prepared
• we wil continue harishchandra story in coming days with more morals and making best of bad times ...
• did you like the story

Survival against all odds !

• Fanoos banke jiski hifaazat Hawa kare, Woh Shamma kya bujhe Jise Roshan HARI Karein!!"
• IS there a story in mahabharata that fits this proverb ?
• well RIGHT in the middle of MAHABHARAT yuddha when BHAGADUTT was fighting ARJUn and there were arrws all over covering the entire SKY .. THER was a bird which gave birth to four CHILDREN right in the middle of BATTLE FIELD .. and the eggs SURVIVED whole WAR even though itwas in middle of WAR , nobody trampled EGGS .. and YUSHIDTHIR discovers them as hemeets BHEESHMa after the war ..
• have you ever heard this story ?
• the bird was a GARUD pakshi married to a bRAMHAN ,, and it was pregnant with four eggs
• onece NARAD muni went to INDRA loka and there a competitionwas held among apsaras .. as to who is most beautiful ...
• everyone came up amnd said DANCE is most beautiful form , only beautiful people can dance and amke it look beautiful , those who are not beautiful will make a dance look shabby .. so dance shoudl be the criteria for settling beauty
• BUT then everyone danced equally well .. SO indra said let NARAD muni himself be deciding authorrity .. NARAD muni said , in the HIMALAYAS DURAVASa muni is in TAPASYA one who can break his tapasya , is definitely most beautiful and capable in attracting others
• everyone stepped back and said oh that is impossible .
• but one apsara who was quiet confident fo herself and filled with pride said I would take up the challege , VAPU teh apsara had already had record of disturbing many rishis munis of their tapasya ..
• VAPU went to himalayas and standing ata distance where durvasa muni was sitting in dhyaan ... started singing in a beautiful voice .. DURVASA finding a beutifulvoice in dead forest was surprised and out of curiosity got up went searching for voice .. [ it was not loss of indriya nigraha , but just a disturbance due to surprise ]
• seeing VAPU and findingthatshe has deliberately come their to disturb him , grew red in anger and said " what is got by diffciult tapasya you ahve destroyed it by bringing vighna .. you are cursed to beinga BIRD and be killed and yu shall ahve children too let there be no change in my words
• GARUDA is son of arishtanemi , garuda son is SAMPAATi suparshwa is his son , the son of suparshva is kunti , kunti's son is PRALOLUPA his sons were kank and kandhar...
• one day KANK flew to a region called KAILAS parvat where one of the asiistants of KUBERA by name VIDYADRUPA rakshas was enjoying with a an apsara called MADANIKA
• Seeing KANKA in air RAkshas got furious and said " dont you know onemust not disturb couples in ekanta .. how dare you cme here to disturb .. KANK said oh RAkshas " this parvat is not your personal property , anyone can come here " istening to this rakshas grew angry and he cut the bird into pieces with his sword ..
• on hearing his elder brthers death kandhar got very angry and in grief went to parvata nd cllected pices of his brother and did antya kriya and then with force dashed into bedroom of VIDYUDRUPA , and challenged him to fight , RAkshas said YOU shall not
• MADANIKA was daughter of MENAKA , and had ichcha swaroop dharan siddhi
• so she took form of a bird and lived with kandhar .. for this apir teh VAPU apsara was born as BIRD .. she was named as TARKSHI
• MANDAPAAL was a bramhan who had four sons the last one was DRONA .. ... all the four were well read in VEDAS
• the most learned in veda vedanga DRONA married TARKSHI . and TARKSHi became pregnant and after seven months ,she one day flew into KURUKSHETRA
• at that time there was a war going ON between PANDAVAs and KAURAVAS
• just by prerana of PRARBDHA she sat on a whell of ratha . in the battlefield ... just as many kings were fighting with competitivespirit with weapons like , shar shakti rushti in the greatest war on earth [just like devat danava fight ] , she there got inbetween the war of ARJUN and BHAGADDUTTA ..
• BHAGADDUTTA had a great elephant named SUPRATEEK [ which was gigantic and many mnay feet larger than humans ] ...
• just as ARJUN and BHGAADUTTA were showering arrows on each others entire sky was filled with the arrows leaving no space and everything that came in between met with death ..
• at that time one ayudha that letf the dhanush of ARJUN akin to BLACK serpent and a bhallayudha with a great speed came and cut the stomach of the TARKSHI ...the bird died on the spot but the EGGS inher stomach [ 4 innumber ] fell of ground .. [ now a
• having fallen down if survived , it was a battlefield ,where many crores were running and recklessly fighting .. anyone could ahve stamped on it . BUT LORD has given it AYUSHYA .. so at the time i fell , another ARROW of ARJUN hit the LARGE bell in the
• BAHGADUTTA died and war continued but bell remained intact for amany days
• AFter that YUDHISTHIR went to BHEESHMA to knwo about DHARMA , and at that a GREAT bramhan named SHAMIK came there and haerad some noise under the bell ., seeing small birds just born, he lifted them and said to his disciples SEE what SHUKRACXHARYA had told to RAKSHASA when theyw ere running away frombattle field has become TRUE ...
• to be contd ........
• has anybody noted INTERSPECIES marraige
• udupi walon ki taraf koiladki nahi diye toh kya karna
• humans/ birds animals taking stroll in battlefield is sure shot death , but eggs not getting stamped is PURE grace .. SO it is said BHAGYODYA is nothing but HARIANUGRAHA ..! [ thats jyotishya way of looking at things ] by the way CAn anyone see RUNABA
• body always is of MOTHERs, qualities of FATHER

Marriage and Caste - A puranic incident

• Suppose king Dasharath is born in this era [ just like Prahalaad is born as RAYARU now ] and his three wives KAUSHALYA KAIKEYi SUmitra are also born .... wil they marry DASHRATh all the three or just ebcause monogamy law is there two other wives will remain unmarried .. WIll the law prevail or Rununubandha [ niyat patipatni runanubandha ] .. if the avatara also joins the second wife will society call him as having extramarital affair stree lola or say Oh it is his second wife third wife so on ?
• this post is to analyse yathartha , MADHWAS need to have different view .. society is hypocritic today , laws are biased .. and anti religious .. but if people are religious wise and ASTIK having faith in concepts of DHARMA , automatically society changes
• one thing to be noted in BRAMHAN sudra relationship in olden days was there was no formal marraige there yet Offsprings were labelled as son of bramhana [ prashava ], LIke VIDURA , gritsamad rishi , ajamila madhava ...
• SO is it really right to say GIRLS would marry only an unmarried man .. what if they want to marry married man , other woman are up in arms ?
• So what exactly is a runanubandha and an EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIR ? is there a difference ? or a debauch and multiply married man same?
• the relationships where there are no guilts , where there is truth and natural easy going relationships ...they are runanubandha , the relationships where ther exist a guilt , a reduction in tejas , a change in voice[ swarbhanga ] , inability to do kartavya all these are failures in indriya nigraha ...
• the word MARRIAGE sums it all .. people marrying are different than people LIVINg together ..
• its really intriguing looking at some yesteryear MOVIES where two people compete to sacrifice in order to facilitate a marraige for other .. and then either compromise or kill once own emotion to marry other and feel proud about their sacrifice .. WHY ? just because one feels its crime to marry two people .,. and isnt it CRIME to marry a person whom you dont ahve any emotion ? but thats NS stories which made to big hits ..
• so when faced with duality , look for marriage and not for satiating desire ... teh former is runanubandha the later is immoral activity ... a good person will look for relationship and not satiety ... but do not break existing ties .. if runanubandha does not exist the strong attraction will fade out ...
• once upon a time there was a kING
• his name was DISHtA , his son wwas NABHAG
• we are talking about NIYAT PATIPATNI relationship ..irrespective of whether one is able to maintain or not , marraige happens is what we are driving conclusion .. a HIGH order JEEVA woman always MARRIES her NIYAT PATI .. she will not desire other
• WOman is destiny/fortune personified ... so maintennace and rise in status comes with FORTUNATE woman , so that should not be the worrying criteria fr not marrying .. I know particularly a recent case where a RICH man constructed a AUTOMOBILE showroom in plush locality and then earned a DEALERSHIP of a very popular brand of cars and GAVE it to would be SON in LAW to MARRY his daughter as the boy had no job ... and GIRL was interested in marryingHIm and HIM only
• Prince NABHAAG once saw a very beautiful VAISHYa girl ... and he fell in love with her and could not control his emotions and became totally enchanted . unable to to keep his mind in control he went to the father of the girl and asked for her hand
• the father said , WE are all servants of KING , there is no equality between us , so Its not right on your part to marry below your station , you are supposed to RULE we are tarders
• nabhaag said , what is eligible at a point is fit to be consumed , and later the same becomes ineligible to consume , so yogya ayogya is TIME determinant , whats important is how much is a THING desirable at the moment and that alone is criteria for BEING eligible or NOT ,. i am at present fully devastated state in complete desire to possess your daughter .. so IT is YOGYA only
• THe father then said we are all paradheen [ depednent ] on YOUR father the MONARCH , and you are also subservient to your father , IF the KING aorder than I have no objection to give my daughter .. BUT then take permission from your father the KING .
• NABHAAG says its always right to take advice from GURUS but then its not appropriate tospeak about KAAM vikaara to a GUru and then asking for remedy on it will be further indecent .. so i think decision here can be settled solely by us why involve elders ?
• Vaishya says yes you are right If you talk about this , it may look like KAAM vishayak [ desire oriented talk ] talk , but if I speak that would not be KAAMvishayak charcha .. so I will TALK to your father
• THEN VAISHYA went to the KING and put forward the desire of PRINCE befre him .... KING summones Bramharishis like RUCHIK and also the prince to palace and kept the matter for discussion
• KING asked BRAMHRISHIS and unis what should be his KARTAVYA in such situation .. ?
• BRAMHARISHI says " you ahving anuraaga on a VAISHYA kanya is not a big issue as far as DHARMA is concerned .. BUT that should happen ina NYAYAkrama .... SO first you must get married to a MOORDHABHISHIKTA KIngs' daughter and then you can marry this vaishya KANYA [ moordhabhishikta is one who is born to BRAMHA father and KSHATRIYA mother ]
• BY doing so you will not get any DHARMa lopa or dosha , and your having ratisukha [ conjugal pleasure ] with VAISHYA woman will not result in LOSS of dharma ..but if not done in this krama then you wil face teh dosha of JAATi atikrama and lose your jaati too
• NOT agreeing to the rishi's words , NABHAAG holding the ahnd of VAISHYA kanya declared I am resorting to RAKSHAS vivaha , and puuling out his sword , he SIAD if anyone wishes to RELEASE her from me HE can try ... seeing this VAISHYA father , pleaded with KING , |"trahi trahi " MAHARAJ became angry and ordered the army to attack his own SON NABHAAG
• BUT expert in astravidya NABHAAG killed all soldiers , SO king himself came to war ... KING was more expert in astravidya and hence a GREAT war broke out between a FATHER and SON ..
• AT that a great tapasvi and sanyasi was travelling in akaash marg and he descended down and TOLD the KING , oh king . it may be a vidharma to fight for yoru son who has become VAISHYA now ... BUT to fight a VAISHYA is not yur DHARMA ... so stop .. A bRAMHAN should first MARRY a BRAMHAN girl and then marry other kshatriya vaishya sudra ... then there is no chyuti [ falling down from his caste ] similarly a kshatriya shuld marry a KSHATRIYA girl and then he can marry vaishya sudra woman .. similalry a vAISHYA can marry sudra woman after first havinga VAISHYA wife only .. else theya ll fall down their caste to whom they are married .. .. since your mandabuddhi son has now married a VAISHYA kanya evenbefore amrryinga KSHATRIYA so now he has become a VAISHYA , now he cannot fight with a KSHATRIYA he has lost his ability and right for the same .. BUT why this happened , I am unable to understand , its beyond my capability but you stop this war immediatel;y
• KING stopped the war and let the son marry vaishya kanya and become vaishya , SON came and asked what he should do next ?
• KING said Go to BAbhravya rishi whatever work he decides for you you can do that
• BABHRAVYA rishi said , krishi gopalan and vyapaar is apt for you go and do it .. so taking VAISHYA kanya nabhaag went away to do the krishi
• NOW a son is born to the couple .. he is named as BHALANDAN
• ONE day mother called the son and say GO and become a COWHERD ..
• bhalandan took some cows as per mothers' wish but his mind was not interested in cowherd , he wanted to wield SWORD and rule ..
• Bhalandan then went to HIMALAYAS and neareda RAJRISHI NIPA , bhalanadan said ," oh rishi i want to rule the world , HOW can I acquire a KINGDOM , i do not want to do VYAPAR gopalan .. kindly tell me a solution ?
• RAjarishi NIPA taught all astravidya to bhalandan and blessed him to gain a kingdom
• By that time vasuraat was ruling and asked his cousin to give back his kingdom .. vasuraat and others said you are a VAIUSHYA so go and do the krishi you are not supposed to do RAJYA .. and thus WAR broke out
• BHALANDAN won teh war and snatched the entire kingdom and borught it to his FATHER NABHAAG and said FATHER come lets RULE NOW
• NABHAAG said , i ahve given word to my FATHER and i cannot go against my father , he has ordered me to do krishi I am doing it , if you want you rule or leave it I am not interested BUT see being son of VAISHYA you are also VAISHYA , so you must give it back , but if you want ou RULE , but dont force me ..
• i ahve once gone against father now again i acnnot do same mistake
• i am already inelgible to reach heavens fr having gone against FATHER i do not know how will be my sadagati and nw if I again forego fathers words ONLY NARAKA will be reserved for me , and with such heavy punsihment ahead If i rule with my sterngth it will be still NIRVEERYA only .. one giving no results
• AT that POINT his wife [ VAISHYA kanya ] SUPRABHA smiled and said .. RAJAN ! accept this KINGDOM .. NEITHER you are a VASHYA NOR AM i a VAISHYA kanya
• YOU are a KSHATRIYA and even I have taken birth in KSHATRIYA lineage only ... NOW i shall teell you my PAST birth [ yeh astrology ke bagair koi gutthi nahi sulajhti bhaiyya ]
• In the past there as a KING called SUDEVA ... he ahd a VERY good freind called NALA who was son of KING DHUMRASHVA
• One day in VAISHKA masa both kings with their wives went to a near by garden which ahd many MANGO trees .. and there they enjoyed a picnic and ate and DRANK variety of SURA [ liquors ]
• then there was asmall lake by the side where RISHI PRAMATi who was SOn of CHYAVAN rishi , his wife was atking bath , NALA in inebriated drunken condition , caught her hand and tried to force himself upon her .. at that RISHIpatni cried for help and aksed KING sudeva saying you ARE OUR king this man is misbehaving why are you not doing yoru dharma ?
• KING did not reply owing to firend's desire /./ and by then PRAMATI rishi came hearing loud voice of his WIFE ... seeing NALA trying to drag his wife forcefully he went to the king and said , ITs your duty to look after safety of your PRAJA , we are al
• PRAMATI rishi became red with anger and said " HEY VANCHAK ! traitor ! let it be so then you become VAISHYA .. Because you are inelible to be called KSHATRIYA , a kshatriya is called so because in his presence there neednot be anyone who would do "arta " and one who does arta rakshana ...
• then PRAMATI turned to NALA and said " in a fit of pride you dared to touch my wife in my ashram , so immidiately you BURN to ASHES .. and even before PRAMATi finished a AGNI evolved from within and turned him to ashes
• note - BRAMHANAS why dont they do inventions to get NOBEL prizes ... SEE even though capable PRAMATi first asked KSHATRIYA to do his duty , even when his wife was under stress , he abided by LAW .. when law failed he used his powers .. THAT is BRAMHANA !
• SUDEVa regained his senses , seeing the power of BRAMHAN kumar , he fell onto his feet and said owing to drunken state he could not carry out his duty , please forgive , show a way out of curse , how will he get relieved from teh curse of being VAISHYA ..
• PRAMATI said My words cannot be falsified so you will have to live like vaishya for some time , when someone forcibly takesaway your daughter in MARRAIGE at that you will remember your past and becaome KSHATRIYA AGain
• SUPRABHA said this is story of my FATHER and now listen my PAST life oh KINg !
• ONCE a ARAJARISHI by name SURAT was doing tapasya on GANDHAMADAN parvat [ this is teh parvat that HANUMAN brought ] ..
• ONCE the rishi saw a bird who was holdinga sarika bird in her beak , suddenly dropped it onto the ground , seeing that RISHI filled with compassion became unconscious .. when he regained conscious , A girl was born out of his body .. that was me .. and RIshi took me as daughter as I came out of his cmpassion , he called me KRUPAVATI
• growing day by day in his ashram KRupavati made many friends in the jungle and were moving about in jungle together with friedns .. One day AGSTYA muni's BROTHER came there and was gathering flowers for hsi POOJA .. as he was picking each flower ..the friends fo KRUPAVATi behaved in a amnner to enrage the MUNI
• BUT turning to krupavati , MUNI cursed , for whatever reason you call me as TRADER of flower for the same reason you becomea VAISHY .as a curse..
• krupavatu said it was my firends who amde mistake then why CURSE me ?
• Rishi said , just like a bowl of panchgavya with association of a drop of alcohol becomes impure , so also evena innocent man in association with evil is termed evil .. BUT even though I ahve said hurtful words you still ask with mild manners and have
• SUPRABHA said , oh husband you are born KSHATRIYA , MY father has ebcome kshatriya i ahve also regained my kshtariyatva so how you are reduced to VAISHYA by my sansarga ... so please be relieved and accept KINGDOM
• BUT owing to VAIRAGYA did not accept KINGDOM and let his son BHALKANDAN rule !
• krishnarpanamastu ..
• bhalandan's SON was VATSAPREETI who killed teh enemy of INDRA KUJRUMBHASUR ..
• how relevant is this story ?
• give me inputs if it made any sense .. till then break
• a bramhan married to NON dwija without marrying to bramhana becomes noin dwija [ point needs attention ] , many people who have done this stil feel they are bramhanas , and enter mutt and do shardhdha etc ..
• If one does not do his duty and does others duty even by MIND he will be born as that caste next , so neech seva results in neech janma only ... BRAMHAN avhelana leads to NEECH janmas .. .. ONCE a group of bramhans decide you are supposed to do this J
• NIYAT patni can be any woman ... any caste ..
• but NIYAT PATI will be of higher caste ONLY .. and for DAITYAS and NS it will be reverse ...

Swarochish Manu

• ONCE upon atime There lived a BRAMHIN !
• On the banks of river VARUNA there was a beautiful city called ARUNAASPAD .... in that there lived a BRAMHANA who was extremely HANDSOME like ashwini devatas
• The bramhan was completely well versed in the vedavedanga and was very kind hearted .. he used to serve many travellers as atithis and give shelter to many people in the night and givethem food and water ..
• HE had a deep desire to do a BHUMANDAL tour of the places full of gardens beautiful forests and variety of cities ... ONe day a atithi came to his hosue . This atithi had knowledge of many medicines and mantras .. BRAMHAN did the satkaar of this man and then in a chit chat the traveller told him abouta many placeforests and cities and gardesns
• BRAMHAN said as you have told you have come from varius city, but yuo dont seems to exhibit any kind of tiredness at all after such huge travel long distant travel
• the atithi said by my mantra aushadh shakti i can travel 1000 yojan in half a day .. because atithi was a big vidwansa , Bramhan believed in his words
• BRAMHANA said , oh sir ! please shw some kripa on me , i also want to see the world , why dont you help me .. taking kindlyto the bramhana , the atithi prepared a powder [lepa ] and put it on the sole of the BRAMHAN and said now you can also walk 1000 yojna inhalf a day without getting tired
• and then ATITHI asked him which direction you want totravel .. BRAMHAN said HIMALAYA , so turning to that diection he chanted THE ABHIMANTRANA mantras .... and bramhan couldnow travel fast
• BRAMHANA thought i will go to himalayas in half a day and then before sunset i shall be abck
• so he was on himalaya parvat within no time .. he could see gandharvas flying , kinnaras singing ,. siddha living aroound .. devatas sporting in himalayas the beauty was just enchanting
• 1000s f apsara were bathing in small water falls from the parvats ...
• the beautiful peacocks dancings , talking birds , koel tittibh making wonderful sounds the scented AIR flwoing in mild form and making the himalay even more beautiful .. looking at all this BRAMHAN became very happy
• BUt as he was walking on snow .. the lepa which atithi had put on the feet sole had been washed away slwly .. so the efecct became slwly zero and bramhana was stuck in that PARVAT not able to go back .. he thought let me come back here tommorrow let me now get back to the house and do sandhyavandan .. BUT he could not go fats , he had become NORMAL again
• BRAMHAN started worrying Oh now i cannot reach home within time , my agnikarya will stop , i ahve never missed this inmy life .. NOW what ? oh this is great problem I ahve got into ? now what shoudl i do ..
• oh this is beautiful place but if i CAn just get hold of any TAPOnishta person , hewoud tell me a way out..
• THERE just as lepa became totally ineefictive he sat down under a tree inhimalaya .. there a AN APSARA named VARUTHNI looked at him .. she thought Oh what handsome MAn , nor in devatas gandharva or siddha vidhyadharas so handsome couldbe found , surprise he is just a BRAMHAN manav .. I am so attracted to him , i am unable to bear to be away from him , HOW nice it would be if this amn would accept my LOVE , may my good fortune bestow me a chance to seek union with this amn .. i wuld feel my LIFE has been meaningful , oh HAVE i done that much punya that this ahndsome BRAMHAN would accept me .. how ganbhir is he ! what a wlak , I dont thinkanybody is as handsoem as him anywhere .. it would be my poorvasanchay punya only if he casts his glkance on me i would be the luckiest inthe world
• bitten bythe cupids' arrow the APSARA came and stood before the BRAMHANA .. ! Bramhnaasked , oh just blossomed LOTUS like radiant WOMEN .. whose daughter are YOU ? what are you doing here ... I am A bramhana from teh city ARUNASPAD . having lost the power of my medicine , i ahve lost my way in this wood .. and I ahve also lost the DOORCHALANSHAKTI
• having heard that VAruthini said " oh BRAMHANottama , I am an apsara name varuthini , i always take rounds in these region , I am totally attracted to you and i am fully troubled by immense desire ON just the first sight I had onyou ... I am now your slave , order me what i acn do for you
• The barmahna says ' oh auspicious one ! kindly let me know by what way I can reach my house quickly . being a parasthala , this place is not conducive for my nitya naimittika karma ... BHADRE ! not doing nitya naimittika karma is not good for a BRAMHANA that will lead to MAHA HAANI . so kindly let me know a way out f this PLACE ... being always outside hishouse is not recmmoneded for a BRAMHANA ... a SHRESHTHA BRAMHAN when he is in his own house only then he can do all his karmas .. oone like me who is in transit has to lose nitya naimmitik karma .. Oh successful one why waste time in speech do you ahve any IDEA to get me back HOME !
• then VARUTHINI said ! PLEASE dont say like that .. PLEASE dont go leaving me like this .. LET that day never come when YOU will have to go to your HOUSE .. look at this place this is more beautifulk than SWARGA , that is even all of us are living here only leaving our main SWARGA ..
• apsara continues " you have stolen my heart , why dont you just enjoy with me in this beautiful mountains ,,, I shall promise the pleasure I would give will make you forget all humas house and relatives everything back home ./.// I am totally shot down by cupid's arrow and in desire of your handsome personality .. , I acn create beautiful mansions , flowers garlands fruits , variety of dishes , veena vadya sangeet jewels and everything that would HIGHETEN your pleasure to themac , unimagined by you .. a pleasurable scented airoma , what else can you have beeter thn these in your house .. is there anything else iN YOUR house ?
• being here you will never age , because this is deva bhumi SAYINg this that lotus eyed VARUTHINI fell to his feet " asking him to show mercy and then went onto embrace the BRAMHANA
• BRAMHAN said " hey dushta women ! do not touch me ! Go to one who is just like YOU in thoughts and deeds .. WITH what BHAVA [ frame of mind ] I requested you .. YOu are replying in exact opposite FEELing .. and trying to seduce me .. ONE who does HOMA in evening and morning will get PERMANENT lokas ... hey FOOL ! these three worlds are intact beacuse f YAGNYA so to carry out that nitya yagnya what is the UPAY you will only tell me that and not waste time in thses unnecessary issues !
• VARUTHINI said "oh ! great among bramhans ! why AM i not able to arise interest in you why are you not happy at me ? is this himalaya not pleasant ? what are expectng Here onlyGANDHARVAs and kinnaras are capable to stay .. what else will you get better than this ? okay YOU CAN go back to your home nO problem , without doubt BUT you will have to stay with me for some days enjoy all these unimagined PLEASURES and then GO !
• BRAMHAN said " Gaarhaptaydi three agnis are MY ARADHYA devatas .. ADNI shaal is my PLEASANT ramaniya sthala .. [ like himalaya is for you ] and KUSHASAN spread ALTAR [ before the MANTAP of LORD ] is my WIFE "
• VARUTHINI said " oh viprottama ! among 8 qualities DAYA is shreshtha guna and pradhaanguna . YOU though being a SADDHARMAPALAK [ one engaged in sad dharma ] still you are not showing any DAYA PREETI on me . I am totally engrained in your love ..[ anurakta ] I acnnot live without YOU .. I am not lying .. My parenst were happy entire clan was ahppy when i was born , YOU also be happy with me "
• BRAMHAN said " if it is truth that you love me and are anurakta in me , then do tell me a way out fromhere to reach myhome "
• VARUTHINISaid " you can go home no doubt , but first stay with me for few days "
• BRAMHAN said " VARUTHINI ! if a BRAMHAN starts doing PRAYATNA [ striving for ] BHOGA etc [ pleasures etc ] that kind of efforts are not honoured ./. [ na shasyate .. na manya ] SUCH efforts will be KLESHKAR [ full f insults and difficulties ] in ihaloka .. and it will give vipareet phala [ opposite results ] in PARALOKA .... BUT if same bramhan does his nitya karma anushthana even if it give someklesha in iha it will give complete phala in paraloka
• VARUTHINI said " BRAMHAN ! I am experiencing apain that would result in death .. you alone can save me ..even saving me will get you PUNYA inPARALOKA ..and also in future janma you will get good bhogabhagya .. why dont you fulfill my desire and and make your both LOKA PARLOKA uddhara
• look here is win win situation for you ,.BUT if you reject my prayers , m pleadings I shall diehere and you will get the sin of my death
• BRAMHAN said " VARUTHIN ! one must never desire for PARASTREE my GURUJI has givenme UPADESHA so .. I cannot desire YOU ... EVEN if you cry , even if you become feeble with depression, I will never be able to accept YOU
• then BRAMHAN did ACHAMAANA an became pure .. and then with upanshu japa , he started praying GARHAPATYA agni ...
• HEY AGNIDEV! you are the prime reason cause for all the karma siddhi ..you are like seed for the karma .. FROM you both DAKSHINA and AHAVANIYA agni arise ... none aother can do utpatti of these two agnis
• OH ! agnidev if you are satisfied all the devatas will be satisfied .. that will become reason for the vruddhi of anna etc [ all the things necessary for a living ]
• thsi whole jagat nirvahan [ maintenance i] is prmarly due to ANNA only
• SO agnidev only you sustain this world , the SATYA [ truth ] by which this JAGAT is steady by YOU BY the POWWER of that TRUTH Satya , let me REACXH my HOME before suryasta
• BRAMHAN said " If i ahve never defaulted in my SANDHYA then by that power LET me reach my home BEFORE suryasta ..
• If at anytime I ahve never thought about paradhan parastree then by that power let me see SURYASTA in my house only TODAY
• JUST as BRAMHAN was praying thus , the garhapatya agni enetered him and BRAMHAn became as radiant as agNihimself and among the prachand agni jwalas ,,, the tejas of bramhan brightened the whole place .. BUT having a look at that tejas , VARUTHINI's love even became more stronger for him .. \ BY the power f AGNI dev , BRAMHAN became just equally powerful like he was when lepa was made on his soles .. and he BRAMHAN with speed of light went back to his home .. and completed his NITYA KARMA '
• VARUTHINI sobbing became mad and wreck and sat there crying for days and months .. she decided that she was most unfortunate woman and her life is waste and she hated herself for that
• she stopped eating , the evry same pleasant mountains , sweet songs of birds were all torturing her and mentally she could not bear t live any more always in the thoughts of bramhan she was just waitting for death ..
• she thought what a bad karma I came to thsi dushta mountain, why did i see this bramhana , why did i fall in love , why is this unbearable kammagni is burning me lkike this .. seems this will make an ash out of me what was sweet to ears all the evry sounds are seeming like fireballs entering ears to burn me
• Aa varuthini sat day and night in the thoughts of a BRAMHAN withut eating drinking .. and looking only at one sight ... at that time , a GANDHARVa by name KALI cameby .. KAli , right from thebeginning had a crush on VARUTHINI , but VARUTHINIhad rejected his advances many times , and KALi was saddened at that .. Now he was surprised why VARUTHINI is sitting alone like this in this jungle ? she seem to be very sad ! oh yes SHe is even crying ! what on earth might ahve happened to her , " as KALI was thinking about standing at distance .. VARYTHINI was unaware of his presence
• KALi thought has anyone given CURSE to her ? has anyone insulted ? why is she crying ?
• then KALI went into DHYANA and found out thrugh samadhi avstha that she was in lovewith bramhana nd has been dejected ..
• NOW kali thought " oho ! my good fortune owing topoorjanma karma I ahve got a great chance to fulfill my desire . Even if after repeated requests she has rejeceted me .. NOw I can have her easily.. VARUTHINI is infatuated with mANAV bramhana , NOw i shall takehis form and go to her she will immdiately be mine .. let me act fast "
• KALIGANDHARVA took the form of the bRAMHANa and started wlaking nearby the place where varuthiniwas sitting
• seeing BARMAHnkumar , VARUTHINI ran towards him .,. [ thinking him to bebramhana ] and then pleaded him again and agian " oh bramhan kumar please accept me please accept me , be pleased with me . if you reject me i shall leave my prana here only , if l leave my prana [ if i die ] that will bring much difficulties to you also .. that sin of my death will destroy all the punya you ahve ammassed from nitya karma ... BUt if you enjoy withme in these acves of himalaya , by accepting me andmaking me yours , you shall be one giving LIFE to me and that punya of saving me will be accrued by YOU ... please do not go back .. NOW my life is in your hands [ perhaps my lifeis still there i ahve more ayushya still ]
• The kali gandharva in the disguise of BRAMHAN kumar replied .. "sundari ! wjhat should i do .. if i stay here only My dharmik anushthana will be lost . BUT on the other hand you are trying to do harm to your life .. thsi way I am in double sankat .. OKAY ! now if you listen what I say if you are prepared to do as I say then I ahve no objectuion to copulate with you .. else nO
• BRAMHAN ! be happy I will do as you say , let there be no doubt in it , just order me I will carry out everything as my kartavya ..DO let me know what shoudl Ido ..
• KALi gandharva said " Sundari ! when we meet each other in forest /caves you must close your eyes ! at any cost you must not open your eyes ! only then our samagam is possible !
• varuthini accepted conditions . and afterthat GANDHARVa in the disguise of bramhana and varuthini enjoyed forest full of fruits flowers dense with trees and on the peaks of mountains , insides teh caves by theside of ponds lakes ..watrefalls all the scenic places , butvaruthiniwould always have her eyes closed .. and GANDHARVA enjoyed in his orginal rupa .. .. VARUTHINI was always in thedhyana of BRAMHAN as the tejaswi WHEN AGNI HAD ENTERED him .. bright with balzing falmes all around him .. that tejomayrupa of bramhan was engrained in her ... so as time passed she became pregnant with a child .. because she was doing dhyana of tejaswi bramhan she also became tejaswi like him ., seeing that GANDHARVA decided to leave her and went away
• justas months passed by AS sun's rays brighten every direction similarly a tejjaswi CHIKLD like agni brightening all the directions was born to VARUTHINI
• because THIS child WAS BLAZING LIKE SUN AND BRIGHTENING ALL THE DIRECTIONS LIKE sun .. he WAS NAMED AS " SWAROCHISH "
• THE LUCKY PERSON WHO GAVE BIRTH TO manu WAS THIS SWAROCHISH
• KRISHNARPANAMSTU
• WHAT ARE TAKE AWAYS FROM THIS STORY ?
• CANANYBODY NOW say time nahi hai sandhyavandan ke liye ?
• woman gives birth to a child who will be like the one she THINKS about at the time of mating and not necessarily like the one whom she mates ..
• oneshoulkd not worry about suicide tricks of woman .. but focus on dharma adhram only
• DESPITE gandhrav TRICKING her CHILD was SATVIK and BHAGYASHAALI only why ?
• because of two reason , 1> agni is great purifier 2> she was sincere in her thoughts towards BRAMHAN .. 3> whenever anyone does manas sambhoga [ before or after marraige ] it is gandharvas only who enjoythem else such manas pleasure will not arise without gandharvas ... so just like manas sambhoga does not result in any effect of exterbnnal factors and only manas factors affect .. so also in this case extrenal factor did not affect
• mujhe nind na aye ooh
• viju raksash sote nahi
• in all likelihood girls havingattained puberty if not married would ahve attempted manas S so they would be deemed enjoyed by gandharvas ,, those jeevas whoare higher than GANDHRAVS will always get married to WOMAN before attaining puberty [ KALIYUGA being exception ]
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• whathappened thereafter
• didnt it save many posts
• mere dil vich rehke bhi tu mere dil da haaL na jaane
• i remember the "manu charitra" by allasani peddanna.. pravaruni swagatam
• swarichsihya manvantara akhyaana
• 1> paternity gandharva [ qualities bramhana + agni ] 2> thought of agni in any karma ,removes doshas ... 3> the job of gandharva is to give mental satisfactions ... so he did his job .. [ he infact saved her From death .. apsaras are not meant to be with only one person always 4> Bramhan gained agni siddhi
• for a BRAMHANA an apsara is always a parastree in human world .. if taken it means loss of punya ..and apsara would anytime return [if Indra orders , she cannot say I am his wife i will not come she has to go ] one who knows this will not indulge with apsaras as that will be temporary halt to sadhana
• If one had excess PUNYA than he would FALL , get loss of nigraha .. and stay with apsara ..and also get progeny
• Activities of women are directly proportional to MAn's PUNYA , there is nothing women specific [ but to acept this men would require entire kalpa ]
• man's dushkarma has no bearing on wife
• women's sins are result of man's own karma
• its easy to think that we have knwon everything and hit a wall and stop study , andrefuse to learn new things , then kaama takes over
• Lust is the drain through which GOD drains out excess accumulation ..[ agar koiatak gaya ghoda chatura bolke usko hawa thoda puncture karna jaroori hota hai ] phugga dubla hne ke baad hi samajhta ki hawa nikal gayi
• Madhwacharya says LUST is of many forms ..manifest and unmanifest ... when unmaniifest .. it is latent and its manifestation can be subject to extrnal factors as food and environment .. the manifest lust is ever active , it cannot be curbed , it overtly victimises the incumbant ... unmanifest comes out as environment is conducive ... NOTgiving conducive ENVIRONMENT is the only way out .. else kaam is within us .. you cannot say it DONT come out
• December 31, 2012 at 4:12am ·
• i know few more things about MILIND soaman of this group
• is group mein model type kaun hai bhai ?
• ha ha ha
• there is one interesting thing is APSARA was trying to tell him that if he does NITYA karmas daily all he would be getting is SWARGA where HE would again be getting a APSARAs only .. so why NOT now ? what DID BRAMHAN reply ?
• Padmini Srivatsa ne bahut bhaari dimmag lagaya , boli apsara usko ghar chod deti aur ghar me dera jamaati toh kya farak padta ? win win situation ... [ yeh apsara bahut senti concept hogaya lagta hai ]
• Vishwamitra also REJECTED RAMBHA as his PUNYA was intact till then , when tim eto lose PUNYA came he fell for menaka
• so one cannot boast about his INDRIYA nigraha when its time to shed PUNYA anything excess , LUST takes OVER for ALL no exceptions in humans world ....
• ORDinary men fall for ordinary women .. EXTRAordinary fall for extraordinary ... and above that fall for EXTRATERRESTRIAL
• when one starts dhyaan .. the vighnas that comes in the later stages say that GROUPS of apasaras actually PHSYICALLY disturb the YOGI .. he needs to do rememdy for that and progress else , he slips againa nd agaian
• there is only ONE REMEDY for that ?? what is it ... get VAYU AVESHA
• iron filing cling to magnet its natural , if your iron filings , stay away from magnet or demagnetise ... only two solutions .. if you are a magnet , insulate yourself .or a get a field of your own [anti torque].. . no other option ..
• as far as paternity is concerned .. SWAROCHISH is said to be AGNI only
• JUST like Indra gave birth to ARJUN being Indra himself .. having thought of agni VARUTHINI gave birth to AGNI himself
• January 2 at 1:19am
• yes fall is imperative ... but still one has to do indriya nigrah .. fall and then get up and croos over ... bas aag ka dariya hai doob ke hi jaana hai
• one has to be everactive in progressing spiritually , wherever udaaseenta has crept in that means there is FALL waiting ....if you dont motivate yourself to move ahead , lust takes over drains and again journey starts ..

on puranas

As VEDVYASA HARI has written shastras and puranas HE has also said elsewhere that they are categorised as satvik rajasik and tamasik , even some khandas within satvik also are tamas khandas ….. Now without these knowledge it becomes difficult to delineate few stories as authentic or otherwise ..
But there is another way in which a particular event can be categorised , they are by resorting to vyatyasa of PURUSH DESHA KAALA and Gomutri ….what are they?

some events in the puranas occur in differently in different puranas …
such differences are chiefly due to change in charachters , change in place of action , change in time zone , and change in sequence of events , which when scrutinised renders the falsehood of the event simply evident ….

for example …
who created the universe ……? shaiva puranas says it was SHIVA … some say It was DURGA and BRAHMA VISHNU ……
So there is difference in character here wrt Creator ….
similarly who drank HALAHAL
SHIVA or VAYU
some say SHIVA some VAYU …

who killed whom , Narasimha killed sharabha or vice versa …………..
Ashwatthama getting killed …….

JArasndha is killed by BHEEMASENA and Sahdeva is coronated , this sahadeva is son of JARASANDHA …… and brother in law of NAKUL …

story of ahiravana mahiravana ..
son of ghatotkach participating in mahabharata ……..

2. some events have supposed to be taken at one place in one stanza and place changes in another composition …………. for example … SUN temple is supposed to be in MULASTHAN [ MULTAN pakistan ] and yet some say it is at KONARK ….. desh vyatyasa ….

3. Kaala vyatyasa —- shwata varaha KAlpa mentions HIRANYAKSHA running away with earth killed by VARAHA and earth is raised and shwetha varaha kalpa begins ie a new day of bramha begins ie satyayuga begins ,,,,, but there is again a mention of HIranyaksha elder brother of HIRANYAKASHIPU who is again killed in every treta yuga by VARAHA avatara which comes after MATSYA and KURMA avatara , if there were no earth where were previous people and avataras did they wash away with earth being taken to patala by hiranyaksha , if it was so then how did hiranyaksha come back in treta ….. so time/ zone differences makes the stories look imaginary ….. rendering puranas a mythical stories for daityas …………..
if properly resorted to kaala vyatyasa narations …………. actual knowledge descends ……..

4. gomutri ,, a story starts and then many sub stories spring out of it , if actual track is not kept then who is telling the actual story the narrator is lost ….
like , all puranas start with suta uvach , then in between a shaunak comes as narrator , and then vaishampayan narrating and the initialy janmejaya listening and suddenly parikshit is askin a question [ where infact janmejaya is son and parikshit is dead long ago ] so how a story being narrated to son , suddenly has father asking a question , was father alive or his being dead is faked … so confusions arise …………..
proper guru will delineate events correctly … defects in arguments are also pointed out wrt these vytyasa .
ie if same person is giving two narration in different puranas then his version is defnitely not acceptable … Shiva gives such narrations at many places himself ….
if a particular event is described to have taken place at two different cities in various accounts then it is not a strong pramana …. it needs further evaluation ….
if a particular narrations lacks consistency in mentioning time of the occurnece of event then als it becomes a doubtful statement and cannot be accepted as pramana or proof for a concept …
if the sequence of events lacks consistency even then it qualifies for a rescrutiny and all the above statements [ ie statements having vyatyasas require further supoorting statemnts to prove what they intend , independently they cannot be taken as pramana .]

these are superficial examples , actual examples will be given when confusions arise