Bhagavadgeeta

• Usually MAdhwas have training from the childhood that PARAMATMA is different different from Jeeva ...So there cannot be at anytime doubt over the issue ..I was no exception ...
• But then as we grow up we meet all kinds of scholars .. some moderate ,some liberals ,some very staunch .... Some moderates tried to impress upon that , actually the philosophy is a flow of thought and evolves with time ., SO what SANKARA propounded was actually improved upon by RAMANUJA and then ultimately refined by MADHWACHARYA .... so while we need not look down upon advaitis , it can be just taken as another philosophy , the actual show down with ADVAITA and others is just a an extention of narrowminded fundamentalist attitude
• at an impressionable age we do think CAN that be true ? but again we enter school and are bombarded with Gandhian philosophy and also high romanticising of DESH BHAKTI . freedom fighters and Independence struggle ... suddenly these make you think are so many people fantasizing ?
• Bhagadgeeta STARTS with a question BY ARJUN ... IS it really necessary to FIGHT for the sake of KINGDOM [ ie enjoyments power etc ] or just give UP for the sake avoiding MASS MASSACRE ?
• All along Krishna says FIGHT that is DHARMA .. and here we have schools bombarding AHIMSA the MKG way ... and the GRAND NS thought give up something for the greater cause ... WHAT WRONG is ARJUN doing ... ?
• Then many also have a romantic thought of WHY evil should not be given a chance ? will they not improve ? ARJUn also seems to be indicating that what IF kaurava rule . what difference would that make ... is the world going to change by this WAR .. why not let me accumulate knowledge and attain NIRVANA
• WITH constant scholastic BOMABARDMENT .. VIVEKANANDA seems a great hero ... Ramakrishna seems a Great saint ... AROBINDO a philosopher and RAMANA a preacher ....VINOBA a great social worker .. Then all are ADVAITIS ...
• SO a thought occured lets see what SANKARA has to say about Bhagavdgeeta ?
• when seen It comes across that SANKARA finds it extremely difficult to reconcile his philosophy with BHAGAVADGEETA ..
• and unable to reconcile the DICHOTOMY in sankara interpretation becomes more and more obvious ...BUT if we leave common sense backyards and GIVE extra importance to the EXTRA LARGE image of SANKARA built up by Romantic heroes like VIVEKANANDA RAMANA etc ... it seems ver dichitomy is the message of BHAGAVD GEETA
• SANKARA seems to divide the bhagavdgeeta as two different rendering ONE FOR the unrealised and another for realised .. This becomes more obvious as VIVEKANANDA etc write their interpretation of BG ... they seem to toy with the idea that its better to follow the ways of realised and unrealised way is only for apprentices
• The views propagated by the ADVAITI is total difference 180 out of phase sadhana for SANKHYA YOGI and KARMA YOGI ...
• Arjuna seems to ask OH KRISHNA In one instance you praise the JNANA knowledge and then in the second instance You praise the KARMA .. YOu seem to be confusing .. WHEN JNANA marga is shrehstha [high superior ] then WHY are you pushing me into WAR [ karma ] where the possibility of raag dwesha attachments hate , are high ... [ in jnana marga one can just be elusive of such attachments and leave the world ] ....
• WHILE in reality LORD KRISHNA seems to be solving the querries of ARJUN ... BUT SANKARA interpretation seems to be fortifying the very QUERY of ARJUN ... it leaves one high and dry without actually getting the solution to ARJUn's query thru that interpreatation ... infact SAnkara adds to confusion by dissecting the entire bhagavad geeta as KARMa yoga and JNANA yoga .. VIVEKANANDA like a modern scientist , who relishes the thought of adding his contribution to previous thought [ just for the sake of it ] adds RAJA YOGA to it
• August 14, 2012 at 7:57am
• MEDITATION seems to be the is all be all funda of religiousness is what NEO ADVAITIS seems to impress
• Then there is ashtavakra geeta which says KARMA is itself the root cause of Suffering .. and just ZERO in your KARMA ..and you would free /.... People influenced with this philosophy DO NOTHING ... they just idle out ...
• On the whole Bhagavadgeeta in its interpreted FORM seems a varied TEXT driving inaction ... BUT anybody with common sense can sense that LORD KRISHNA is speaking about ACTION ... and its ARJUNA who is showing inaction ... IF BHAGAVADGEETA is speaking about inaction , then does it require 700 odd shlokas and detiled dialogue to JUST SAY ARJUN YOU ARE RIGHT Inaction is BETTER ...
• In the market in the BHAGAVDGEETA one gets only inaction discourse ... So I normally do not advice anyone to read bhagavdgeeta to begin a spiritual journey .. BHAGAVDGEETA should be read at the fag end of spiritual journey .. It answers many a doubts that arises in the journey . but if one has not treaded the journey how would one know what is the doubt and what answer is actually intending
• Bhagvad geeta is not a text in isolation , it has a background of BHAGAVAT and Pancharatra
• It is only MADHWACHARYA who highlights this text as philososphical exposition ...
• Superficial reading of bhagavadgeeta , what it does ? it gives rise to many many doubts ..... with no solution around it creates a wreck .. HOW ? a striking verse is "KARMANYEva ..." ... when one is introduced to Bhagavadgeeta with this verse ... The first question is can I get away with any karma ... Which KARMA shoud I do ... What is desire .. IS desire legitimate ? SANKARA bhashya does not answer any of these in clear terms , it infact gives Vipareeta gyana
• the fact that it is not a simple text which can be read in isolation becomes more evident because MADHWACHARYA has written two commentaries on IT ... why two commentaries ?
• Whats the great fortune we have in knowing the Works of MADWACHARYA is it legitimises many of the emotions , which otherwise with SANKARA bhashya makes one feel guilty about
• I have spent most part of my life [ till date ] with an encounter or two with evil people .. mostly sitting in position of power ... Looking at them sundarkand words of .. durmad , full of garva .. anger .. dambha .. becomes a real sight ...
• I have mars in 2nd ... the striking feature is one will be very stubborn .. a stubborn person when he has leo ascendant he just doesnt accept anyones authority ..[without legitimate reason ] in the least on the brute force ...
• This makes one get a first reaction of anger when one encounters a durmad person .... NOW the first thing a philosophical spiritual person would ask is IS MY ANGER JUSTIFIED .. mean not an interaction has started .. but just based on LAXAN shastra I am enforcing anger .. There is clash of EGO ... MAN is in power and we are normal ..the immediate outcome is direct CONFLICT .. This conflict which people in surrounding have found unnecessary .. nearly always criticised me ..as to what is the need for expressing such an ANGER ..
• The repeated conflicts makes one THINK AM i right ? is anger okay ?
• WITH question in mind ONE CAN actually not express anger too freely .. that is even more worse
• To add to woes SANKARA call it all a useless feature ..
• One has a feeling with these kubhashyas that emotions have no meaning at all ...
• and then whole life the world as we see seems to be a big burden to live ..
• BUt then are emotions like anger , vatsalya , useless .. we see no answer from texts
• BUT MADHWACHARYA as it is said in SUMADHWAVIJAYA .. the first reaction that he gives as he is born on earth , is everywhere people engaged in AVISHNAV acts .. completely immersed in sins .. so he feels like taking his gada mace once again and teach everyone a lesson .. THE ANGER he exhibits ... and then the authr says THIS IS LEGITIMATE .. now I ahve no calms about showing my anger .. what a relief .. And there is ANANDA in it ... FROm every angle MADHWA gives only happines
• BUT then anger we can harbour .. but when we do not have enough strength to counter these durmada evils .. WHAT SHOULD WE DO ?
• Go to SANKARA he will say ..what is evil what is good . its all mithya .. see yourself IN the DURMADA .. BUt that is not truth , I am nOT DURMADA
• SO SANKARA bhashya at every step and every doubt only misleads rather worsens the situation
• BUt then a thought occurs OKAY i amy be unable to see SELF in DURMADA , does ADVAITI see it .. may be he sees , ,may be he is more evolved person ?
• ANd this doubt always remains a doubt .... BECAUSE then try to offend the most calm sadhu type ADVAITI and he resorts to ABHICHARA ...
• By the time you realise the preachers of Calmness are nevr calm but most violent ... and worst of violent .. the collateral damage has already taken place
• Yes ADVAITI is evil hypocrite ,, its not just a good idea to think that they are just a philosophy and rendred IMPROVISATION by RAMANUJA and MADHWA
• Advaita bashing seems like talibanisation of MADHWA BUT I say MADHWA philosophy is more than that .... thats why people fear a real MADHWA
• Then GANDHISM has taken so much toll ... That I have anger .. BUT I will not exhibit ... I dont like durmada .. I am weak .. ask many madhwas what would you do .. They say what can we do ? DOES our sidhdhant give us any protective GEAR ... OH you mean VAMAMARGA .. NO NO NO ... is it real No o FEAR or lack of such practise
• If someone is solely dependent upon scholars of the day .. then it would eems its just a fate to see such durmada , be angry rather fret in mind and take the events as it is .. NO solution ..
• what to do , you cannot fight and go down as martyr .. and that is not recommended either ... nor can we keep quite without fretting
• Then one must read NARAYAN ashtakshar nyasa ..
• what is this NYASA .. IT says KRUDDOLKAYA NAMAHA ....
• WHO is KRUDDOLOKA ... ? what does He do ? what is the phala of the meditation of Kruddolak
• ONE who is like ULKA to a KRUDDA .. who is krudda .. a durmada evil is krudda ... and LORD is LIKE thunderbolt blazing meteorite like to THESE TAMOYOGYAS .. meditation on KRUDDOLAK gives victory ie it manifests the anger ... the durmad bows
• Then I see and meet many a people who are just indifferent whatevr we talk about GOD .. they seem to be engrossed in their own world ... If you say HARI .. achcha aisa likha hai .. wah bahut achche ... kal ka prograame kya hai .. ? YOu get angry .. these are evil .. BUT are NS .. BUT ten SHUD i show my anger .. or cut my relation with hIM .. THIS way I WILL GET ISOLATED ... BUt then I want some result I want him to respect my view ., bow and JUST BOW even if he means or not BOW
• How do I do it . LORD is known as VEEROLKAYA // here veera is NS and lord is like a thunderbolt to them ..and keeps on causing fear and resentment in them ...
• when satvikas go astray one gets angry .. but then can we just regulate them .. NO ,,, MAHOLKAYA namaha ... one who is like a great LIGHT for the SATVIKAS ... LORD will bring them to good path , our JOB is to meditate on these rupas when we see such people and get angry
• SO there is SOLUTION to every kind of PROBLEM in MADHWA sidhdanta ... PROBLEMS are REAL ... solution is desperately needed on REAL terms ... The relief from SOLUTION is real .. The happiness is REAL that MAKES WORLD REAL ... ONLY MADHWA can teach us that
• Its MADHWACHARYA who says .. GET HAPPY first know what is HAPPINESS and then try to KNOW real HAPPINESS ie KRISHNA ... once known everything else seems secondary
• MADHWACHARYA gives legitimacy to the THOUGHT of being HAPPY .. how beautiful LIFE then becomes ... WE live a full LIFE ..
• yes
• He gives explanatory notes to those verses which have been wrongly percieved earlier ad then in another he enhances with pramanas
• RAYARU has written
• Sreedevi Chulki share the highlights of discourse
• ramesh anusandhan is right ...
• FOR KAMAL suddenly life has a aim VISHNU and PREETI
• Karamanyeva " I think cannot be explained by one who has no considerable spiritual progress .... the every concept of desire , karma and phala , nishkaam , bhagavadarpana ... if only this is all about it .. THEN entire BHAGAV geeta seems to be just a
• without proper discourse it always creates much jignyasa ... the result if one is not prepared to study continuously it leaves one high and dry ... Tackling bhagavad geeta just as the introductory text . naturally will lead to skip detailed analysis

Retrograde Planets

• Why do planet appear to be retrograde ..ie move backwards ? while moving backwards and again moving forward they become Stationary , what is the rational behind being stationary ?
• The Bhchakra is revolving around the earth ...that is denoted by circle one [inner circle in top image ...the outer circle is the motion of planet mars ...The numbers 1.2.3.4.5.6.7 are the variable motion of the bhachakra and mars .. at given instance 1 2 3 4 5 6 ...
• as visible from EARTH
• let us project these points onto a plane [ as seen from earth ] ... at point 1 of bhachakra [zodiac] corresponding point on the track of motion of mars projects as 1 on the plane .. similarly 2 , 3 also projects linearly ... at point 4 the motion of mars differs with motion of zodiac .. the projected point is now little behind the point 3 ... so also point 5 and at point 6 is again linearly head of point of 3 ...and so also 7 is head of 6 ... this gives a feeling of backward motion and forward motion to the onlooker on earth when he fixes the position of mars wrt zodiac ...
• bhachakra point goes ahead ... say mars in aries 20deg ,, and then point 20 deg aries itself moves ahead then mars seems oving backwards becuase then mars wil be at 19 deg aries
• yes bhachakra moves at 18.5 miles /sec and mars at 15 miles per sec
• In surya sidhdhanta .. the retrograde of MARS is given as Sigrocchha - Mars = 164 deg .... that means when Mars is 164 deg from sigroccha [ usually mean position of SUN ]
• when a planet turns RUJU from VAKR gati ... it becomes stationary for a moment ... this can be seen from the image 2
• Let M be the mean position of the planet [ mean position is the point that actually revolves around the earth ...] and let P be the actual true position of PLANET . [ this point P is on a circle which is epicycle of the planet
• ruju means direct
• The radius of the epicycle is 'z' and let E point be earth ..and S be Sun
• Surya siddhant says 164 deg .. this is given to astrologers .. that is jnana .. but what vigyana behind it rationale behind this 164 deg given in SURYASIDHHANTA ... ?
• iF 'n' is the mean daily motion of the SUN , "t " be the number of the days since Sun 'S" was at the first point of ' ARIES " ................. let angle
• thus dL/dt = n - dy/dt +dx/dt
• PM = z [ radius of epicycle ] EM= r [ radius of mean motion of planets ie mars ] bith z and r are constants
• MQ = z cos y
• PQ = z siny
• EQ= EM + MQ = r + z cos y
• tan x = PQ / EQ = z sin y / (r +cosy )
• x= taninverse [ z siny /( r+ z cosy ) ]
• dx /dt = (dy/dt ) (z^2 + rz cos y )/ ( r^2 + z^2 + 2rz cos y )
• now substitute the above equation in dL/dt = n- dy/dt + dx/dt
• dL/dt = n + dy/dt [ ( z^2 +rz cos y ) / (r^2 + z^2 + 2rz cos y) ]
• If n is the daily motion of SUN and n` is the daily motion of PLANET and C is some constant ... then y = ( n-n` ) (t+C) so dy/dt =(
• substituting this is the equation dL/dt
• dL/dt = [nz^2 + n`r^2 +rz (n+n`) cos y ] / [ r^2 + z^2 + 2rz cos y ]
• when the pLANET has to become Stationary ... dL/dt = 0
• ie nz^2 + n`r^2 +rz (n+n`)cos y = 0
• so cos y = - ( nz^2 + n` r^2 ) / rz (n+n`)
• In case of MARS .. n= 0.98560265 deg and n`= 0.5240193deg , z= 233.5 deg , r =360 deg substituting these in equation .. ..........cos y = -0.9586391
• y= 180 - cosinvers [ 0.9586391 ]
• y= 163.4636 and SURYASIDHDHANTA says y= 164
• The MODER ASTRONOMY gives cos y = - [ a^1/2 ]/ [a -a ^1/2 +1 ] where a is the mean distance between sun and the planet in astronomical units .. one astronomical unit is distance between earth and sun
• for mars modern astronomy y = 163.215 ... suryasidhdhant y= 164 drik sidhdhant y= 163
• SO CAn we say VEDIC SCHOLARS were AWARE OF TRIGONOMETRY AND CALCULUS
• so science which is heavily dependent on modern mathematics can be said to be something new OR repeat telecast of AGEOLD ?
• Surya siddhanta / modern astronomy values for various planets to become retrograde . when their seeghrakendra are .. kuja =164 / 163.215 ..... budha = 144 /144.427 jupiter = 130 /125.565 venus = 163 /167.005 saturn =115/114.466
• the greter difference can be seen in jupiter and venus ...
• Vijay Jain d is derivative
• what could be the reason this knowledge of deep mathematics evaporated from continent that we read TRIGONOMETRY and calculus as something discovered by WESTERN mathematicians .. and no teacher in the school ever says yes It was KNOWN .. ?
• IS this thread a bouncer ?
• Vijay the image is two dimension and lateral projection .. kindly imagine it as above earth and projection into sky ..
• yes there is change in elongation of signs itself of zoiac at north pole
• mm
• arey abhi nahi kya maine poora equation likha isko kya means ki jarorat hai ... its maths ... ganit hai .... bhagvaan bade ganitagnya hai ...
• vidhyadhar
• Publishing will not help ... madhwa bramhins should know them and take up jypotishya .. for all purpose maths is astronomy ... and useful for jyotishya ... because many bramhins left learning jyotishya and average brains became panchangakartas .... we have lost mathematics ... to such an extent that .... when europeans starting teaching as our own subject .. we thought its a great invention and something we never knew about .. THIS pitiable state of education is because ..of bramhins not keen to learn jyotishya and do manan on it /.
• the very sine is itself a series .. if you want to calculate sine or cosine , you use series
• Higher mathematics is just concepts , in schools and college conceots are never told , but one is expected to learn the formulaes .. which seems useless and unineteresting
• for example z=x+iy .... now why in the world do we require i a complex number .... most wont know
• but if we are told that these are representation of signals ..then the concept becomes inetresting and useful
• But vedic teachings do not stick to symbolism ,, it teaches concepts directly .. a vedic guru gives very secret sciences in direct manner
• all those who are good at maths , should try to find out how these answers have come ... they should solve them in their rough notes to appreciate the planetary motion
• there are may such applications .. like fiding equation of time . true positions of sun and moon .. apparent\\
• the actual terminologies in sanskrit are ... seegra , koti phala dohaphala sphutakoti ..seeghrakarna ////seeghrakarna [hypoteneuse ] = sqrroot {( sphutakoti)^2 + (Dohaphala )^2 }
• no maths no jyotish ! No jyotish no MOXA
• A modern astronomer feels a vedic astrologer does not ahve understanding of ,athematics of planetary MOTION as he sees through his telescopes ... WHAT can we say about these pseudospacescientists ......
• August 11, 2012 at 12:36pm
• there will be two solutions for dL/dT=0 // y= 164 and y=360 -164 = 196 so planet becomes ruju after 196 deg ... it remains retro in between 164 and 196 ... these are degrees of seeghrakendra of mars and not longitudes of mars /... ongitude is found out by its position inepicycle an then corresponding center of epicycle ..
• epicycle is wrt to DHRUVA .. allplanets are tied to DHRUVA , the tailend of SHimshumaar ..
• yes all planets have epicycle
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Krishna Ashtami

• Sept 8th is not correct .... KRISHNASHTAMI always should be celebrated in shravan masa only ... there are many pramanas for it ... LET ME GIVE SOME ...
• THERE SEEMS TO BE A OPINION THAT KRISHNASHTAMI AND JAYANTI ARE TWO DIFFERENT VRATAS ,, Krishnashtami is nitya not doing krishnashtami will lead to hell ...and other lesser births ...
• bhavishyottar purana - ShravaNe bahuLe pakshe KrishNa janmashtamivratam | na karoti naro yastu bhavati brmaharakshasah | shravan krishna ashtami tithi is krishnashtami vrata , a [erson who does not do this vrata becomes bramha rakshasa ... [ so it is nitya vrata ] ..... To indicate that there may be another day vrata [ like sept 8 this year ] if one does that another vrata leaving krishnashtami shrvana [ like the aug 9th night this year ] such a person will not get any result [phala ] of all the punya karua like building water tanks ,yagnya or will not get result of any other vrata niyam upavasa .... the relevant verse is " KrishNajanmaShtami tyaktva yoanyad vratamuPoshayet | napnoti sukrutam kinchishtapoortamathapiva ||"
• a woman who does not do Krishnashtami vrata every year [ it is compulsory for everyone ] , such a sinner will become wild animal in dense forest
• Sanatkumar samhita - " ShravaNasya ch masasa krishNashtamyaam mayanagh | RohiNi yadi labhyate jayanti naam sa tithi " ..... Sanatakumar samhita quotes , that shravana month is month for Krishnaashtami ... if this day is inclusive of rohini star then it is called jayanti ..
• Skanda purana - prajapatyena samyukta ashtami tu ya bhavet |ShravaNe bahuLe sa tu sarvapaappraNashini || jayam punyasa kurute jayantityena taam viduh ||
• saknada also says that it is shrvana masa ashtami if inclusve of rohini it becomes jayanti ...
• Bhrigu RIshi says " janmashtami jayanti ch shivaratistathaiva ch poorvaviddhauva kartavyaa tithichante ch paraNam iti " that janmashtami jayanti shivratri all these vratas have to be celebrated on the day when there is previous tithi vedha .. ie saptami vedha fo ashtami .. that means the whole day in morning should be saptami and in the night ashtami should appear .. the moonrise will be arghya time for KRISHNAHTAMI .. if rohini s also there at time it becomes JAYANTI ..
• SO WHERE DOES THIS 8th SEPT confusion arise ?
• SRIMADANAND teertha says - " rohinyamardhratre tu yada kalashtami bhavet jayanti naam sa proktah sarvapaappraNashini "
• Rohini with kalashtami at midnight is jayanti ...
• PADMA purana says .. even if one gets one muhurta on ashtami in krishna paksha along with rohini , one must do upavasa
• IN mahabharata tatparyanirnay ACHARYA says " yasminnabde Bhadrapade sa MAAS " it says bhadrapada masa is krishNA Jayanti
• VishNudharmottar Purana says " RohiNi sahita krishNamaasi BhadrapadeashtaMi | saptamyaamardhratre tu kala vaapi yada bhavet | saivoposhya iti Bhadrapad KrsihNashtami Jayanti ityuktah || here there seems to be clear instructions of Bhadrapada masa being the Krishna shtami and jayanti
• So some say since it is MAdhwacharya who says Bhadrapada masa and vishnu dharmottar purana also says bhadrapada .. one must celebrate jayanti krishnashtami in bhadrapada
• In dharma Shastra , the vakya [ the instruction ] which goes against many pramanas should be reconciled ... Here MADHWACHARAYA says Bhadrapa masa / and bahuvaakya virodha possibility is there as , sanyasa paddhati says ... rohiNi sahita Krsihna mase SHRAVANE ashtami | jayanti naam saprokta mahapatak nashini " leaving no doubts that even jayanti is also in SHRAVANA .. then there is sanatakumar samhita . bhavishyottar purana , skanda purana padma purana .. so many vakya virodha is possible ./. SO SRIMADANANDA teertha and Vishnu Dharmottar purana sentence must be reconcilied ... what is reconciliation ..There is a tradition of calling a month from the pratipada after Porrnima .. ie after SHravan poornima , the pratipada is called as Bhadrapada pratipada so shravan krishNa ashtami is also called as Bhadrapada ashtami ... in North India this tradition is active ..so by taking this ashtami in this way " saapi pourNimasya masaan sampadya iti " Smritimuktavali author says there will be no contradiction in what MADHWACHARYA says and what purnas says .. thus Krishna ashtami is SHRAVAN bahulaAshtami only
• PADMA purana says .. even if one gets one muhurta on ashtami in krishna paksha along with rohini , one must do upavasa ***
• NO one must never celebrate in bhadrapada masa ...
• Vasudev
• yes vishnu teerthiya says simha mase .. but there is pramaNA which says simha masa is paryay shabda for Shravana masa only
• Smrutimuktavali says " Skaande praashikayaam smrutikaustubhecha Shravan maassyaiva simhamaas vyavahaaraat ek vaakyatva mityuktam || " skanda puraNa prakashika smruti kaustubh have declared shravan masa as simha masa , there is no virodha to vishnuteerthiya vachan
• shravan masa is chaandramaan .. simha masa sauramana .. but whenever there is cross ref .. simha masa of saurmana refres to shravana masa of chaandramaana
• NO not vice versa because then ashtami tithi which is salient feature of chandramaan will also lose its meaning .. because saura ashtami will be that day when sun is 8degrees .. if sauramana takes precedence ... and we do not see such tradition .. we see saptami viddha ashtami from chandramana onl
• IS RAAM NAVAMI celebrated on NAVAMI or PUNARVASU nakshatra .? what is the age old tradition here ... Krishna ashtami is important , if rohini also accompanies it becomes JAYANTI . SO shravan Krishna ashtami is to be celebrated ...
• Tithi ashtami for Krsishnashtami should be saptami viddha .. ie ashtami at midnight is more important here and saptami in the morning at suryodaya is considered as apt ... so tithi nirnay here is little different .... Wednesday Rohini ashtami at midnight makes it even more shreshtha ..
• The interpreatation of dharma shastra should be such that ...there should be no violation of prabala vakya ... [ the strong dictum ] when many strong dictums are available then that must be followed .. a prabala dictum is still heavy on many weak dict
• Here pramanaas for sharvan masa ashtami is greater in all puranas .. but MAdhwacharya says bhadrapada .. so there is bahuvakya virodha for a strong dictum of MADHWACHARYA .... so we have to see reconciliation .. AND LUCKILY in this case we have recon
• NOW // simha masa is one where simha rashi sankramana will be there ... see such sankramana takes place in sharvana masa only ... even this year ..
• at the time of YUGADI in the beginning of KALIYUGA ... sun was in ARIES ... mesha masa .... BUT we see that we celebrate YUGADI .. even when SUN is in pisces and chiatra masa PADYAMI comes as MOON enters ASHWINI ... now one does not wait for sun tp enter MESHA and then next padyami is observed as YUGADI ... is not seen ...
• MADHWACHARYA is saying at the TIME of KRISHNA janma .. surya was in simha masa .. and also jupiter ...
• MADHWACHARYA is saying at the TIME of KRISHNA janma .. surya was in simha masa .. and also jupiter ...
• Vasudeva bhat said , they are following madhwacharya and vaadiraja tradition ,but there is no pramaana ..for that .. they must show a panchanga of 1600 ad .. to prove that ..in between , the udupi mutts have chnaged their panchanga , to drika , attribu
• the words which are in coherence with smriti even in tamas purana are considered satvik .... like most of the quotes acharya gives to justify dvaita also occur from SKANDA purana ... now here the words are pertaining to krishna ashtami .. and the words reconcile with sanatkuamar samhita which is satvik
• tithi gives prosperity , nakshatra increases decreases sins ...... people usuall look forward to prosperity ....
• 9th august night . ..
• fast tommorrow . parane after 12.45 , sick pregnant and others can have phalahaar after midnight ....
• Suresh , if ayush homa has to be done , one uses nakshtra ..
• pooja should be done in morning , evening ..night , BUt arghya at 11.49 pm... with sandal paste flowers milk ,and water coins ..
• August 8, 2012 at 7:49am
• yes fast can be broken at 8 .15 am
• purashcharane can be done tommorrow
• yes krishnattotar shatnaam mantra will give more phala ... shesha rushi ..anushtup chandha
• There is one more verse which should put the 8th sept controversy to rest ... " ashwayuk krishnapakshe tu shraddham karyam dine dine | maasi bhadrapade ashtamyaam krishNapaksheardharatrake || this verse states bhadrapada krishnashtami and ashwayuj pitr
• Sameer was asking why there cannot be common thinking among all madhwas .. this thread is live example of why it cannot be so ..INITIALLY the thread was opened to know what is what .. then for and against arguments took place ... and then when sufficie
• Nandita Rao , everybody can take phalahar after midnight accoding to skanda purana
• yes you can hear ...

IS ASTROLOGY A DEFINITIVE SCIENCE ?

• WHAT IS MEANT BY DEFINITIVE ?
• LEts take a example , SUN in seventh house , woman is deserted by the husband ...... ... NAla damayantu many example ... NOW when you see SUN in seventh can an astrologer confidently say the subject will be deserted .. CAN THAT BE DEFINITIVE ?
• SO how can Astrologer be definitive in prediction / is it right to say meri jabaan paththar ki lakeer ?
• Okay .. lets put it like this ... JUST for a moment think we have never studied MADHWACHRYA's MBTN ... THEN whole MAHABHARTA is indefinitive .. we cannot conclude what is what ... THEN enter MBTN the samw Mahabharta is now definitive ... WHAT is the moral of the story ?
• so for every science there is definitive "decryptor"
• As MAhabharta becomes a difficult text to comprehend unless one knows Tartamya ... so knowledge of Tartamya is decryptor ...
• so also knowledge of Taartamya of phala [results of karma ] is very necessary to know astrology .... BUt then its is said absolute tartamya of Phala of graha chaara only BRAMHA alone knows ..
• accordingly tartamya from bramha downwards everyone knowls leser and lesser about future ..
• The knowldege of definitiveness is kept secret and more and more generalised versions are transmitted in lower cauldrons
• was karna better than arjun .. if tartamya not known .. it is indefinitive ... When proving Rudra dev as inferior we say VAYU overtook his boons ... BUt then Ther is incident where BHEEMSEN doe not overtake boon to ...Jyadrath so it become sindefinitive .. BUT when TARTAMYA is know it BECOMES definitive and ver easy tooo ... minus tartamya it is impossible nd indefinitive ? what say ?
• So Tartamya [ madhwa sidhdanta is very secretive science ] ... when you have it and and then look at others who do not have it .. YOU EXPRESS surprise at why they feel so much indefinitive about all this ...
• NOW should this secret TARTMA if you go on making public .. shout on top of your mouth to the world HEY ! i have known a secret , TARTAMYA by MADHWACHARYA ! why all of you are suffering , take this pill TARTAMYA nd become srvagnya ! ..... BUT PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT YOU , lagta hai iska khisak gaya !!!
• SO even if you make a secret public it doesnt fetch any result .. BUT you will look like a fool yourself ...
• SO greats say .. never let out the secret ... DONT preach MADHWA sidhdanta in public ,
• SO what should be done ? secrets should be given to only eligible souls .... if not then your own siddhi gets dissolved ...
• So many people try to write something they know just TO ANNOUNCE that THEY KNOW ... without analysing who is the recipient .. [ a mletcha . antyaj or atheist ] .... such people always go to hell
• when studying astrology you struggle hard with a concept .. and never find an answer in the realm of what one studies ... and then we fall at the feet of GURU [ RAYARU ] , ad anew realm opens .." arey YEH to PATA hi NAhi tha .. aisa bhi hota hai kya ... "
• For example .. in mantrashastra , we study that , mantras can be used for becoming invincible ...one can have jaya siddhi ..with a mantra .. okay so if one has mantra he will become invincible .... then can just one mantra make me anything ? if it is s
• The thought and any amount of research will not yeild any satisfactory answer .. on the contrary you will get more vipareet gyana .. reading more on mantrashastra will also not yeild any good ..
• THEN one day we read ARJUNA was given Vaishnava mantra .. by Yudhisthir ... [ by the advise of VEDVYASA ] he was told he is invincible with this mantra .. BUT then He uses the mantra on RUDRADEVA .. Rudra nullifies it with another mantra .. HOW can RUDRADEVA NULLIFY A VAISHNAV MANTRA .?
• The mind asks and gets confused IS MANTRA a indefinitive ?it can be randomly nullified or upheld ?
• MADHWACHARYA says , there is tartamya in mantras too ... a mantra tartamya is detremined by its rushi chandas devata ... SO though the mantra devata is VISHNU for VAISHNAV mantras .. as rishi and chandas changes so also the potency of mantra .. with these there are infinite variations for a mantra .. so what ARJUNA had was a lesser in tartamya mantra which RUDRA dev used Better one ..
• OH mantras have TARTAMYA .. where can we know it .. BUT for MADHWACHARYA we cannot know ...
• without this knowledge , a petty mantrik by the street side who might have had siddhi of a bhuta thinks he can take control of complete world ...
• BUt when he encounters VAISHNAVA .. he falls flat
• BUT those VAISHNAVAS who have witnessed his powers may also feel what this PONGA pndit Vaishnav can do to him ? this is lack of knwoledge
• There is one blog by NARyandasan where he has written abut his experience ,, where a chakka sadhu who had karnapisachini siddhi .. could not get any revelations by pisacha .. as this man was chanting narsimha mantra .. SO in a trance SADHU shouted throw this man out ... he is anti ....
• Till that day even the person who was reciting narsimha mantra never knew what was its power , but the pisacha knew
• RK .. there are many levels in mantras ..one exceeds other ... so remedies should be applied as per problem .. there cannot be single solution for ll problems .. else 9 crore mantras , its existence itself would be waste .. ONE mantra would have been enough // and everyone does everything with it ..
• We have been exposed to certain mantras ..as per our yogyata ... , similarly evil will also have his yogyata ... a small vanar could not have killed INDRAJIT .. only LAXMAN could kill INDRAJIT .. thats vidhi
• according as problem one should pass on the responsibility to higher beings .. you cannot cure cancer with avillage vaidya medicine ...
• VANARs in RAMAYANa or LAxman could not have revived with local medicines .. it required SANJEEVANI only that too from gandhamadan ,, one who doesnt know sanjeevani , can such doctor cure LAXMAN ?while reading ayurveda every medicine is said to cure many diseases .. BUT again there is TARTAMYA of medicine !
• SO one shoudl approach right people
• so levels definitiveness varies with level of decryotion , if you have 256 bit decryptor you ca have info and defniteness accuracy only upto 256 bit .. ie resolution only upto 2 ^ 256 .... but then if you have more and more clarity and definiteness .. if you have better decryptor
• There is tartamaya in mantras too ... Many a times non dwija members ask .. that bramhanas can get rid of sins everyday with sandhyavandana .. how can non dwija get rid .... so there is stotra for that too ...there are stotras which give phala of yagnyas ..
• now if tartamya exists in form of mantras for category A categor B etc .. then there is TArtamya even in Category A itself ... but many non dwija have left pursuing sadhana pages ... they have saturated .., similarly women have saturated on sadhana pages ... AN ven dwijas have not progressed in this year .. last active enhancement ws in last year .... so 28 years sdhana will be covered in 28 births perhaps
• there are thousands of bramhastra and others astra tooo have many variation .. this we come to know when ARjun uses agni astra on gandharva .... gandharva asks arjun , which agniastra is this he has not witnessed one like that ? that shows there are variety of agniastra .. gadharva aks arjun to teach agni astra and in return teaches arjun the art of becoming invisible ..
• a astra when used should not be used again ..that is one rule ...IN tantrasarasangraha MADHWACHARYA says one can use the mantra mentioned there in war ... BUT then there are only few mantras how can they be used again and again as astras ? this question I asked many scholars no one was aware ... BUt then I asked RAYARU .. and I got a tantra sarasangraha vyakhyana b Vasudhendra teertharu which answered this point ...

Pranayama

• Pranayama should be done after achieving nadi shuddhi else diseases descend
• Once nadi shuddhi achived .. one can do pranayama
• Rechak poorak kumbahk form pranayama
• Rechak is exhaling [ first with a force thrugh left and pressing rleft nostrill slowly exhaling with right nostrill ]
• purak is [ press the right nostrill with the right thumb ] inhaling through the left nostril slowly
• Kumbhak is holding the breath still for sometime ...shvasnirodh ..
• 200 ms [ ardh matra ] is the time taken for uttering a consonant ..
• time taken to utter 16 consonants should be the time for Rechak ...
• Poorak kumbhak should be twice the rechak
• Pranayama should be done atleast 12 times 24 times or 36 times .. in a single go ..
• In madhwa tradition Rechak is always done through right nostril ... BUt before that first rechak requires the inner impurities to expel ..this can happen with a force so it is said that one must exhale through left and then close left nostril so that rechaka process is natural
• when rechaka is done through left nostrill . it dispels the inner dirt .. but when you exhale from right .. it gives momentum to prana which is raised through poorak
• only at begining

Reading Chapters in Itihasa/Puranas

• Sir.. on a related note, we come across many incidents in Ramayana,Mahabharatha,Puranas, where there will be phala shruthi mentioned for certain chapters.. What is the secret behind getting the phala shruthi of these chapters ? How should we approach them ? Do we have to read the incident in sanskrit and understand ? Or does it happen by reading translations too ? How does this work ?
• reading translation will also d
• one must make a sankalpa of reading x number of chapter ... read first chapter ... complete the x number of chapters and end with last chapter .
• for example.. if we are reading the first 2 chapters of Ayodhya kaanda, then should we take sankalpa and read the first chapter of Ramayan + 2 chapters of Ayodhya kaanda + last chapter of Ramayana

why should one amass good friends ?

• What is the result [ phala ] of having many friends ? or why should one amass good friends ?
• who is friend ? aapatsu snehasanyuktam mitram ! one who keeps same affection during distress an ba times is a friend
• mitrasangraheNA balam sampadyate ! making many good friends increases strength , it leas to prosperity and happiness
• balavaan alabdha labhe prayatate ! onkly a strong engages in ammasing what is not gained yet ..
• What is prosperity ? gaining what is not gained yet , then safeuarding what has been gained .. then increasing it and then applying it for welfare ..are four important functions of propserous life .. These cannot be successfully executed without good friends ..
• wife is friend [given by god ] who keeps company in OLD age !
• hmm thousand wives ...!
• And Hrishikesh sings " nanha munha rahi hun ved ka sipahi hun bolo mere sangh JAIhendathi ! "
• homa with red flowers will give good friends
• thid house and 11th house